I can only get halfway around a backwards circle. My brain freaks out for some
reason and I have to put a foot down. I just use flat pedals (with pins,
mostly). I mostly ride coasting bikes in the last year.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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Yeah, no skidding for me, it's just what I've come to associate with fixed gear
cycling, that and riding backwards in circles (anybody got that skill?)
Might get some retention though.
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Read the latest grant blug post on the new ss to read his take on the dangers
of fixed just in case you weren't aware of the ones he talks about. Just want
you to be informed. Not poo-poo-ing.
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Kai,
I forgot to reply to your questions on skidding. I don’t. If I’m skidding, I’m
not breaking very well and I’m using a very pricy tire instead of a brake pad.
To my view, skidding is flashy not practical.
On trails, one technique I’ve read about is on technical descents to sit back
off the
With all the skidding, I wonder how much rubber is being burned off thus
inviting flats far sooner than one would like/expect. I'd think at least 1
brake would be prudent if it were me! Check out the fixie rider and the
skidding he does in this video. Dude is flying ... I fear he's not long
Kai,
Holdfasts are great, but take that with a grain of salt. Your verdict on
Holdfasts may depend on your own experience with toe clips and or clipless
pedals and personal preferences regarding the feel of foot retention... but I
come from a flat pedal background never having used any of the a
I ride fixed with retentionless platform pedals too. Same with SS mtb. Midfoot
position and wide-a$$ bars help. Done brevets fixed clipped in vs. not clipped
in and the difference was negligeable for time but significant for comfort.
Of course if I only sprinted or only did short uphill rides th
Kai, Right on! Next ride you do, change nothing but expectation. Ride without
expectation, like a kid. Let the bike teach you how it works, and thus how you
work with it.
With abandon,
Patrick
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I flopped my flip flop wheel last night and gave fixed a brief try out on
my street. It felt weird, I think foot retention would make it feel better?
Anyways, I tried a skid like I see all the folks do on the bridges and the
result was scary funny, I guess that's where retention is very necessar
I'm all about the brakes, as well. I've run a fixed bike with a single
front brake, but I prefer the symmetry of two. Plus they stop faster. And
make it easier to handle the bike when wheeling it around.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 7:35:37 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murra
I may be inclined to ride platform pedals on a fixed but definitely not without
brakes.
chris
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When climbing very steep hills, the actual advantage is 100% of the imagined
advantage, ime.
Patrick Moore
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> On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:
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> Clipped in, Patrick, you can absolutely generate more forward progress by
> pulling up on the back foot The actual
“Is that something you know yourself? Or is that a story your people tell?”
Clipped in, Patrick, you can absolutely generate more forward progress by
pulling up on the back foot. It can help in clearing funky obstacles, too. I
just hop off. Easy. It’s not a contest. The actual advantage is about
I was fine with no foot retention and flat pedals when trying fixed early on...
until I hit a steep hill with my “too low for the road 63” gear” and decided to
try and see how well I could just “coast”... relax the legs and spin like the
wind. It wasn’t long before I couldn’t keep up and feet w
while i am no expert I have given fixed riding a go and found that with brakes
riding fixed with no foot retention is fine. Fixed sans brakes and foot
retention is no bueno!
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Ha! Sounds like we’re in violent agreement. Grin.
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“… even if this reason doesn’t apply to every rider.”
So true. So very true.
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> On Dec 12, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> There are reasons for this, even if this reason doesn't apply to every rider.
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I can generate a lot of additional power by pulling back and up; and in
those instances were I've pulled my foot out of shoe, or shoe out of pedal
retention, I've more than a few times come close to falling over. I very
definitely feel and use the additional torque generated in this way.
But even
On 12/12/2017 06:48 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
You are right, Steve, in the event of a foot coming off a pedal, legs would
need to splay outward
and quickly, too
and front brake engaged until pedals slowed down enough to safely (without
maiming). I actually practiced this (and other ways t
You are right, Steve, in the event of a foot coming off a pedal, legs would
need to splay outward and front brake engaged until pedals slowed down enough
to safely (without maiming). I actually practiced this (and other ways to screw
up safely) early on, though not since. Not fun, not painful, e
Lee, yes. Our eating table is 16” high or so. I just sit on thin cusions on a
tile floor. My desk is a kneeling desk, roughly the same height.
Eric, I understand. But it sure seems overstated that pedal retention is
required to ride safely or well. As a rider preferance, makes perfect sense
eit
On 12/12/2017 06:16 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on
oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal retention is required
to make fixed safe.
Well, consider for a second the situation if your foot /does/ slip off
One other plus for tight retention is climbing steep hills. I stopped using
cleatless shoes when I found myself routinely pulingl my feet out of
semi-tight straps (or pulling my feet out of shoes tightened into the
straps) when torquing hard -- pulling back and up -- on very steep hills at
very low
Deacon:
For some people (myself included), it’s safer to have one’s feet attached to
the pedals when going fast and “coasting” on a fixed gear. When the pedals
start going very, very fast, I would rather not lose contact with the pedals,
because it’s quite hard to reconnect when the pedals are
Hi Deacon,
I have a question to the last part. Do you eat off a low table since you
are floor living?
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on
> oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal re
Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on
oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal retention is required
to make fixed safe. I can see why people who like it on freewheeled bikes like
it on fixed bikes. My feet haven’t come off the pedals unbidden
I only use flat pedals fixed, and have for years. I haven't encountered a
downside yet. I had straps, then clipless, then I made pedal decks that
snapped into the clipless, and then I went to BMX pedals. Each iteration
was an improvement. My Ross just has old mtb caged pedals, and also works
fi
As a fellow vertigo sufferer (although not nearly as bad!) I can identify
with the preference to a direct connection with your bike, the earth, etc.
I have noticed that the more direct feedback of a rigid or hardtail
mountain bike is preferable for me, as compared to a motorcycle or even a
full
Ted's hypothesis seems to fit with experience, in that it would account for
the "pedaling in squares" symptom when going back to a fw or S3X hubbed
bike after riding real fixed for a while; that is, you have to "regain" the
mental-cum-physiological habit of "keeping your feet ahead of drivetrain
ki
I try to minimize the lash without having the chain actually tight. My
sense of what is unique about a fixed gear is that its so noticeable (and a
bit disconcerting) when the lash goes all the way the other way and the
wheel forces your foot up and or over, that you train yourself to keep your
That is my experience too, and I can't explain it. It's not pure flywheel,
since there isn't a "tight" connection between wheel and legs; yet there is
very definitely a smoothness that you don't have with a freewheel -- or
with even the 2 degrees of lash as found in a S3X. It can't be -- at least
f
I didn’t tighten the rear wheel enough on my ride and ended up with some slack
in the chain. I rode it for a bit to experiment with that very question,
Patrick. The “magic” is there, just not as directly. It’s there with a slightly
disconnected pause (boy, do I NOT like THAT!). The freewheel doe
But Patrick rides with a tight chain; other's don't and yet feel some sort
of "magic".
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:50 PM, dougP wrote:
> People have often mused on the "magic" of riding fixed without being able
> to explain it. This is the first explanation I've read & it does make
> intuitive se
People have often mused on the "magic" of riding fixed without being able
to explain it. This is the first explanation I've read & it does make
intuitive sense.
dougP
On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> In which I puzzle and ponder about why fixed is s
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