Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-25 Thread Philip Williamson
I can only get halfway around a backwards circle. My brain freaks out for some reason and I have to put a foot down. I just use flat pedals (with pins, mostly). I mostly ride coasting bikes in the last year. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-24 Thread Kainalu V.
Yeah, no skidding for me, it's just what I've come to associate with fixed gear cycling, that and riding backwards in circles (anybody got that skill?) Might get some retention though. -Kai BK NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" gr

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-16 Thread lum gim fong
Read the latest grant blug post on the new ss to read his take on the dangers of fixed just in case you weren't aware of the ones he talks about. Just want you to be informed. Not poo-poo-ing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Kai, I forgot to reply to your questions on skidding. I don’t. If I’m skidding, I’m not breaking very well and I’m using a very pricy tire instead of a brake pad. To my view, skidding is flashy not practical. On trails, one technique I’ve read about is on technical descents to sit back off the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-16 Thread tc
With all the skidding, I wonder how much rubber is being burned off thus inviting flats far sooner than one would like/expect. I'd think at least 1 brake would be prudent if it were me! Check out the fixie rider and the skidding he does in this video. Dude is flying ... I fear he's not long

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-16 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
Kai, Holdfasts are great, but take that with a grain of salt. Your verdict on Holdfasts may depend on your own experience with toe clips and or clipless pedals and personal preferences regarding the feel of foot retention... but I come from a flat pedal background never having used any of the a

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-15 Thread Clayton.sf
I ride fixed with retentionless platform pedals too. Same with SS mtb. Midfoot position and wide-a$$ bars help. Done brevets fixed clipped in vs. not clipped in and the difference was negligeable for time but significant for comfort. Of course if I only sprinted or only did short uphill rides th

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-15 Thread Deacon Patrick
Kai, Right on! Next ride you do, change nothing but expectation. Ride without expectation, like a kid. Let the bike teach you how it works, and thus how you work with it. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" grou

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-15 Thread Kainalu V.
I flopped my flip flop wheel last night and gave fixed a brief try out on my street. It felt weird, I think foot retention would make it feel better? Anyways, I tried a skid like I see all the folks do on the bridges and the result was scary funny, I guess that's where retention is very necessar

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-15 Thread Philip Williamson
I'm all about the brakes, as well. I've run a fixed bike with a single front brake, but I prefer the symmetry of two. Plus they stop faster. And make it easier to handle the bike when wheeling it around. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 7:35:37 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murra

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-14 Thread Christopher Murray
I may be inclined to ride platform pedals on a fixed but definitely not without brakes. chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-b

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-14 Thread Patrick Moore
When climbing very steep hills, the actual advantage is 100% of the imagined advantage, ime. Patrick Moore iPhone > On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: > > Clipped in, Patrick, you can absolutely generate more forward progress by > pulling up on the back foot The actual

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-13 Thread Philip Williamson
“Is that something you know yourself? Or is that a story your people tell?” Clipped in, Patrick, you can absolutely generate more forward progress by pulling up on the back foot. It can help in clearing funky obstacles, too. I just hop off. Easy. It’s not a contest. The actual advantage is about

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I was fine with no foot retention and flat pedals when trying fixed early on... until I hit a steep hill with my “too low for the road 63” gear” and decided to try and see how well I could just “coast”... relax the legs and spin like the wind. It wasn’t long before I couldn’t keep up and feet w

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Richard Rios
while i am no expert I have given fixed riding a go and found that with brakes riding fixed with no foot retention is fine. Fixed sans brakes and foot retention is no bueno! best, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. T

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ha! Sounds like we’re in violent agreement. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googleg

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Eric Norris
“… even if this reason doesn’t apply to every rider.” So true. So very true. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Dec 12, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > There are reasons for this, even if this reason doesn't apply to every rider. -- You recei

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I can generate a lot of additional power by pulling back and up; and in those instances were I've pulled my foot out of shoe, or shoe out of pedal retention, I've more than a few times come close to falling over. I very definitely feel and use the additional torque generated in this way. But even

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/12/2017 06:48 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: You are right, Steve, in the event of a foot coming off a pedal, legs would need to splay outward and quickly, too and front brake engaged until pedals slowed down enough to safely (without maiming). I actually practiced this (and other ways t

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
You are right, Steve, in the event of a foot coming off a pedal, legs would need to splay outward and front brake engaged until pedals slowed down enough to safely (without maiming). I actually practiced this (and other ways to screw up safely) early on, though not since. Not fun, not painful, e

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Lee, yes. Our eating table is 16” high or so. I just sit on thin cusions on a tile floor. My desk is a kneeling desk, roughly the same height. Eric, I understand. But it sure seems overstated that pedal retention is required to ride safely or well. As a rider preferance, makes perfect sense eit

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/12/2017 06:16 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal retention is required to make fixed safe. Well, consider for a second the situation if your foot /does/ slip off

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Patrick Moore
One other plus for tight retention is climbing steep hills. I stopped using cleatless shoes when I found myself routinely pulingl my feet out of semi-tight straps (or pulling my feet out of shoes tightened into the straps) when torquing hard -- pulling back and up -- on very steep hills at very low

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Eric Norris
Deacon: For some people (myself included), it’s safer to have one’s feet attached to the pedals when going fast and “coasting” on a fixed gear. When the pedals start going very, very fast, I would rather not lose contact with the pedals, because it’s quite hard to reconnect when the pedals are

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Lee Legrand
Hi Deacon, I have a question to the last part. Do you eat off a low table since you are floor living? On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on > oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal re

[RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ha, Chris! Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron. Which is either a moron on oxygen or oxycodon. Grin. I can’t see a reason why pedal retention is required to make fixed safe. I can see why people who like it on freewheeled bikes like it on fixed bikes. My feet haven’t come off the pedals unbidden

[RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Philip Williamson
I only use flat pedals fixed, and have for years. I haven't encountered a downside yet. I had straps, then clipless, then I made pedal decks that snapped into the clipless, and then I went to BMX pedals. Each iteration was an improvement. My Ross just has old mtb caged pedals, and also works fi

[RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Christopher Cote
As a fellow vertigo sufferer (although not nearly as bad!) I can identify with the preference to a direct connection with your bike, the earth, etc. I have noticed that the more direct feedback of a rigid or hardtail mountain bike is preferable for me, as compared to a motorcycle or even a full

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-12 Thread Patrick Moore
Ted's hypothesis seems to fit with experience, in that it would account for the "pedaling in squares" symptom when going back to a fw or S3X hubbed bike after riding real fixed for a while; that is, you have to "regain" the mental-cum-physiological habit of "keeping your feet ahead of drivetrain ki

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-11 Thread ted
I try to minimize the lash without having the chain actually tight. My sense of what is unique about a fixed gear is that its so noticeable (and a bit disconcerting) when the lash goes all the way the other way and the wheel forces your foot up and or over, that you train yourself to keep your

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-11 Thread Patrick Moore
That is my experience too, and I can't explain it. It's not pure flywheel, since there isn't a "tight" connection between wheel and legs; yet there is very definitely a smoothness that you don't have with a freewheel -- or with even the 2 degrees of lash as found in a S3X. It can't be -- at least f

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
I didn’t tighten the rear wheel enough on my ride and ended up with some slack in the chain. I rode it for a bit to experiment with that very question, Patrick. The “magic” is there, just not as directly. It’s there with a slightly disconnected pause (boy, do I NOT like THAT!). The freewheel doe

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-11 Thread Patrick Moore
But Patrick rides with a tight chain; other's don't and yet feel some sort of "magic". On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:50 PM, dougP wrote: > People have often mused on the "magic" of riding fixed without being able > to explain it. This is the first explanation I've read & it does make > intuitive se

[RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

2017-12-11 Thread dougP
People have often mused on the "magic" of riding fixed without being able to explain it. This is the first explanation I've read & it does make intuitive sense. dougP On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > In which I puzzle and ponder about why fixed is s