[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-09-01 Thread Bruce Smitham
Wow, finally a topic I want to discuss. I love titanium and especially my 56cm Ritchey Ti Cross Breakaway. It's the best bike I've ever owned. Super light and not flexy (even with the couplers) plus I can travel with it. I've done light touring, serious single track in the Snoqualmie Pass recen

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-09-01 Thread S. Greco
Cherry Bicycles (John Cherry) or a Tournesol (Hampsten/Indy Fab) come to mind. I don't believe Hampsten is making Tournesols anymore. Haven't checked on Cherry availability or pricing in a long time. It seems like a tautology to say you could get what you want from a custom builder. As for Riv

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-30 Thread Lungimsam
I know and he wrote that for riding in Mexico area he prefers that bike over his others. Shocked that he found something he likes better than the Herse for a given purpose. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fro

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-30 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
Looks like Mr. Heine ponied up for his fantasyland bike: https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/i-bought-a-titanium-bike/ On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:55:43 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > http://fireflybicycles.com/bicycles/all-road > > Since it is custom, and they offer different h

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-29 Thread Bill Lindsay
If I wanted a Ti Monster Cross bike, I would have a good long look at Baxter http://moots.com/bike/baxter-29/ On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 12:54:44 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote: > > Bars level with saddle is a must. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-29 Thread Esteban
My Black Sheep has a to fork. LOVE it, but I understand they are hard to make, $$$, and don't play well with cantis because if flex (v-brakes are perfect - I have Paul Moto-lite BMX on now). XCr is a more exotic steel - but difficult to repair. Just get a Hunqa - there is no better bike that w

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-29 Thread masmojo
I've wondered the same thing, I currently think your best bet for a ti Riv. Would be Spectrum Cycles, but they would also likely be pretty expensive. For me personally, I think I'd go to Carver, they do custom titanium frames for under 2 grand! The frames are made overseas to a customer plan. -

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-29 Thread Scott McLain
Hi Jay! This is a bit of a dichotomy or oxy-moron. I started riding a lot with a 1999 Titanium LeMond Victiore. Made by Trek in Wisconsin. It was a beautiful titanium and rode really nice. It had just the right amount of compliance and spring. But it was a serious racing geometry with a sup

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-29 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
My wording came across too harsh--should have written something like "The title does say Fantasyland after all" rather than questioning whether you read the post title. So my apologies! On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 7:52:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: > > Yes, I read the thread title. I was just

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Lungimsam
Yes, I read the thread title. I was just commenting on the Firefly price, though that was off topic. Sorry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Lungimsam
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Lungimsam
I included the world because some people outside of the USA buy these type of bikes too. The stat I heard was that only 11% of people worldwide make more than 50kUS$. I think the income average per capita US is in the $40,000 range? So yes, you will find a great buying market among USA citizenr

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/28/2016 11:10 AM, Lungimsam wrote: Aren't Fireflys like 4800$ frames? I saw the review of it in the current BQ. A lot of those BQ reviews are of bikes that I would guess only people in the top 8% of earners worldwide could afford. That firefly was a 10,000$US bike once built up. You

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
Did you read the title of the post? It includes the word "Fantasyland." Almost anyone building a custom ti bike with Rivish specs, including Steve Hampsten, is going to charge a lot of money--a Riv custom frameset in steel is $3,500. And I am pretty sure it is far less than 8% of wage earners w

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Lungimsam
Aren't Fireflys like 4800$ frames? I saw the review of it in the current BQ. A lot of those BQ reviews are of bikes that I would guess only people in the top 8% of earners worldwide could afford. That firefly was a 10,000$US bike once built up. -- You received this message because you are subs

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-28 Thread Bill M.
" My friend Dustin had it made from the ‘cross model with touring geometry – made to mimic the geometry of the Rivendell Atlantis", so there you go. Nice bike! On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:54:05 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote: > > You mean like this? Custom Black Sheep - clearance for 2.1, can i

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
http://fireflybicycles.com/bicycles/all-road Since it is custom, and they offer different head tubes and braking options, I am pretty sure they would be happy to take your money and get you on a Fantasy "Riv, " complete with cantis, quill stem, and geometry for bars level with saddle. A Firefly

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/27/2016 06:01 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Slightly aslant from the original question, but leaving aside flex or no flex, what /real, practical/ benefit would you get from a ti Riv that you wouldn't get from a Riv Riv? Me, I've found true love in both flexy (Raleigh Technium, '73 Motobecan

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Slightly aslant from the original question, but leaving aside flex or no flex, what *real, practical* benefit would you get from a ti Riv that you wouldn't get from a Riv Riv? Me, I've found true love in both flexy (Raleigh Technium, '73 Motobecane G Record) and standard-Riv-stout frames. -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
Some Ti frames are flexible. Some people do not like flexible frames and will disparage them. And that's what you heard. My 1991 Ti Spectrum definitely is. Back then, before the fall of the Soviet Union and the Peace Dividend, there was no bicycle Ti tubing; there was Ti for aircraft hydrau

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Kevin Lindsey
Moots, a small firm in Steamboat Springs, Colorado. They make wonderful titanium bikes, and their longest-running model, the Vamoots, rides just like an Atlantis (but is considerably lighter). Kevin On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 11:51:02 AM UTC-4, Call Me Jay wrote: > > Who would build it? Ha

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Garth
As with any material, it's the execution of it that determines it's stiffness . Things like tube diameter and thickness, and the way it's all put together :) Like any frame you could say it's both an art and a science. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread Lungimsam
I heard that Ti is "whippy", whatever that means? Maybe that it planes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegr

[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

2016-08-27 Thread iamkeith
Are you talking geometry, lugged joints or overall aesthetics? I'm not sure the later two would be possible, even "faked," because of the joining methods that will work with Ti. Tig is your only option, I think. Also, I have two Ti bikes. One is stiff because it's a compact frame, but the l