Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

John, It exists. The Atlantis. Albeit a bit more stout (and pricey) than you might prefer. If you’re in the right size range, 26” wheels? No problem! Best, Richard Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2018, at 1:18 AM, john Bokman wrote: > > I trust in Grant, but my favorite Rivendell bikes, at

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

I trust in Grant, but my favorite Rivendell bikes, at least on paper, are the most svelte. I hope the Sam doesn’t get too beefed out. (Rather, I hope if he designs a beefed-out Sam, it’s a 26” wheeled Sam! I’d be all over that one.) > On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Adam Kilgas wrote: > > On Frida

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote: > > PS: I was surprised at a recent blug or blahg post that said they beefed up > Sam’s fork. That was where I noticed a big difference. I was surprised to read that as well; kinda curious how Sam's fork now compares to most T

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Having gone through the Sam/Joe debate when the Joe came out, I determined they are pretty different bikes. I rode my canti-Sam up to Riv to compare it to the Joe directly. I thought the Joe is heavier-duty than the Sam particularly at the fork. The Joe handles much wider tires (which is wha

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

It's very interesting, when I first decided I would breakdown & finally buy a Rivendell; a Sam seemed like an obvious choice, but at the time they no longer had any Cantilever braked Sams in my size. Ended up getting a Clementine & then a used Atantis. Then the Joe Appaloosa came out & it was a

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Agreed. I’ve seen and ridden a 51 and it was perfect. There must be something with this batch. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Christopher, Something must have gone awry with the latest run of 51 Sams. I have a Sage Green 51 and it’s been perfect from the moment I put it on the road. The black and cream Sams are so sharp. Congrats to all the prospective owners. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I appreciate mine. Best,

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Ah, then in that case, glad I waited for the 58! Rides like a dream. Rolling gleefully. > On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Dave Small wrote: > > My story is the same: 60cm (which I bought) is a bit too big, the 56cm > (which I test rode and didn't buy) was a bit too small, and the later 58cm > ver

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

My story is the same: 60cm (which I bought) is a bit too big, the 56cm (which I test rode and didn't buy) was a bit too small, and the later 58cm version is just right. I don't think the current 58cm equals the first-run 56cm, either from my experience with them or the PBH recommendations--it'

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

In my case, i was “in between” sizes in 2009. My choices were 56cm and 60cm for my 89cm pbh. I chose the 60cm based on the employee’s suggestion. I was on the small end of the 60cm range. That is to say, my 89cm pub was among the shortest that would fit the 60cm frame. But I’d always read Grant

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

It does seem the Sam has changed more than other bikes. When the Sam was conceived the idea was having few sizes that would fit more people. This was new in the Rivendell line up. It seems like most of what has changed is top tube and seat tube lengths. I’d guess this is just an evolution of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Interesting the way this bike has evolved. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to thi

Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Rod, I got the first run (2009) Sam in 60cm. I wish I had gotten a 56 in retrospect. Finally I got a 58 (new run) and it’s perfect. I think it equates to the first run 56cm. > Bob, > > Score! Many thanks! > > rod > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:27:20 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > Rod, >

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Bob, Score! Many thanks! rod On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:27:20 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Rod, > > I am assuming this one is valid: > > https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry > > I think the one you were seeing is for the earlier (earliest?) versions. > > Bob > > > On Tuesday, Janu

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Rod, I am assuming this one is valid: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry I think the one you were seeing is for the earlier (earliest?) versions. Bob On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 5:18:34 PM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote: > > The only Sam Hillborne geometry chart I could find >

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

The only Sam Hillborne geometry chart I could find didn't include a row for 58cm; I assume that they weren't made in that production run. An updated geometry chart would be handy. In the meantime,

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that there was a muckup with the fabrication (I doubt it is anything else because the geometry did not change as they've had the 51cm frames before.) On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:25:32 AM UTC-5, nash...@gmail.com wrote: > > Yeah, that seems like a strang

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Yeah, that seems like a strange comment in a post asking people to buy a frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr.

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Rod, You're going to love the way the Sam rides. I have a 60, non-canti Sam that I have had the pleasure to ride for the past 6+ years. On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:02:42 PM UTC-5, Rod Holland wrote: > > Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't > buy what you

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

>From one canti-Sam owner to all of the new ones, you’re going to love it. My >only criticism is that it’s so comfy and versatile that It’s made it difficult >to justify an n+1 with the wife. BTW...the cx50 brakes make wheel changes a >breeze. Enjoy the ride! John -- You received this messa

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

I, too, decided it was the time to buy a new Sam. I had planned to wait a year and sell a bike, or first, or look for a used one, but I decided it was time to support Rivendell directly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Congrats, Rod! I love my 58 Sam. It's just 'different', in such a good, reliable, 'everything just fits' way. And, it's a beaut to look at, to boot. Enjoy! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this g

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Rod, good for you. I have two bikes, a 61cm OAC Rambler, and a 58cm Sam. Both fantastic bikes; they always bring glee. Build them soon as you can! On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 1:02:42 PM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote: > > Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't > buy

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

"Don't get a 51.” That’s definitely an interesting line. I’d guess there is something different about the sizing, that they are experimenting with some aspect of the geometry, and/or there is some information that Rivendell wants anyone who buys one to know before they buy— tire clearance?, toe

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

What do you all make of the "Don't get a 51. News on that forthcoming but not here. Details later." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owne

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Weird--Cumil the Peeper just sold me a Schmidt dyno light. He told me he gets good use of them in the tunnels of Slovakia. Those BTO wheels all look good. They have a Cliffhanger dyno set! On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:10:48 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote: > > Congrats! I am also a Sam owner!

[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

Rod, Congrats on the decision and the future new bike! I, too, ordered a 58cm Canti-Sam (black/cream though I know the sage/cream will be beautiful as well) and am extremely excited for the coming build and rides. It dawned on me that I have loved every Rivendell I have been lucky enough to o