Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Metin Uz
It's hard to generalize from a few rides. When I started using PR's, I got a flat on my very first ride (300K), then 4 flats on a 600K. I judged that all but one of the flats would have happened with most tires. I then continued to ride the tires for hundreds of miles without a flat, including

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Noted. FWIW: my PRs came to me having been mounted and ridden 20 miles by the previous owner. I was very pleased to see how easily they mounted on my Open Pro rims. After using them for a few miles I found I can easily remove and replace them without using tire levers or even getting sore thumbs.

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Wow, the PR is a tough tire compared to the Cerf? I had huge flat problems until I installed Stan's. Do others have the same experience with the Cerfs? On the other side of the equation: if the Cerf rolls so much better than the PR, it must be a very nice rolling tire indeed! Thanks. On Wed, Se

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread cyclotourist
Correction: My tires were the GB Cypres, not Cerf. On 9/25/13, cyclotourist wrote: > I've found the GB Cerf to be an amazingly low rolling resistance tire. > It's almost like there wasn't any resistance at all. The PRs have more > rolling resistance, and are a PITA to install (really, a three day

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread cyclotourist
I've found the GB Cerf to be an amazingly low rolling resistance tire. It's almost like there wasn't any resistance at all. The PRs have more rolling resistance, and are a PITA to install (really, a three day process to get tires on?). But, they are much more durable. My first set of GBs basically

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore
I wish I had a spare $80! But sales come around again ... Of which speaking: can anyone compare the Grand Bois tires -- Cerf, the Extra Legeres -- to the PRs in rolling feel, puncture resistance (or liability), and tread life? On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > and btw, Velomine's

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Ron Mc
and btw, Velomine's price right now is $40/tire for the clinchers. On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:00:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > I've mounted some of each (clinchers and tubulars), but have found that > pre-stretching them between hands and bare feet- kind of walking around the > tire a

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-25 Thread Ron Mc
I've mounted some of each (clinchers and tubulars), but have found that pre-stretching them between hands and bare feet- kind of walking around the tire and stretching it a little here and there and everywhere - makes a huge difference in getting these on the rim. On Wednesday, September 25,

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-24 Thread Esteban
What did Grant tell me once when discussing a rack-mounting issue with bling brakes? "High-class parts provide high-class problems." This being said while I stretch out some Eroica tires half-mounted on a wheelset... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2013-09-24 Thread Ron Mc
I pulled this old thread up because I've become a huge fan of these tires, both tubular and clincher. Velomine has a huge inventory of these now and is selling them for about 2/3 of retail if you call them. They have good buys listed on ebay, but will beat that on the phone. On Monday, Nove

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-14 Thread Bill M.
The thinnest rim tape is probably no tape at all. I installed a set of Velocity Veloplugs on my latest set of home-built wheels (A23 rims on White Industries hubs). No issues with them so far, and they can easily be removed and reinstalled if ever needed. http://veloplug.com/ Bill On Nov 14, 9

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The Manou and Newbaum rim tape is some of the thickest, by the way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nojTvlCP_YEJ. To post to this gr

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
A thin rimstrip can make a HUGE difference with tight tyres. The Stan's NoTubes rim tape is a thin nylon material. These have become my go-to rim tape, both for thin-ness and light-ness. One roll will do four 700C wheels (I think), so it works out to be an economical solution, too. They aren't a

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-14 Thread Bill Lucas
Marc, I have these tires. They where some of the hardest to mount that I have ever worked with. I didn't see anyone discussing rim strip. Make sure that the rim strips is as thin as possible, no fold backs, no laying on the bead seat. I use plastic rim strips because they are the thinnest. Th

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-12 Thread Philip Williamson
I just bought one of these, on the advice of my LBS, after I broke some Pedro's levers mounting my wife's 590s. I generally lose a lever every time I mount those tires, and the bead jack really helps. Two more flats, and it'll have paid for itself... I always start at the valve, but my technique ha

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-12 Thread EricP
The VAR is a good tool, but somewhat fragile. Broke mine trying to dismount a studded tire a couple of winters ago. Wasn't that cold. Below freezing, but above zero. Good tool, but the plastic didn't like the cold. Would like another one someday. Really was good at getting the tires on in fall

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-12 Thread Stuart Fletcher
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:37:14PM -0800, Jay wrote: > Just to be clear, the Kool Stop thing is not a lever. It's a ... > something else, designed specifically to mount tires without damaging > anything. The Kool Stop tool is called a bead jack (I think). VAR makes a similar tool that has the adv

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Jay
Great tips here. I too always finish opposite the valve. Just to be clear, the Kool Stop thing is not a lever. It's a ... something else, designed specifically to mount tires without damaging anything. The link I posted above has a picture and a better explaination. Jay On Nov 12, 3:39 am, "Bill

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread cyclotourist
Bill, that may be the best trick I've heard of. For the last 30 years I've always finished opposite the valve, usually w/out problem, but occasionally a few curses. Will give it a try next time out! THANKS! On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Bill M. wrote: > The guy in the video misses one tric

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Bill M.
The guy in the video misses one trick - it totally matters where you start. You want the very LAST bit of the bead you pull over the rim to be AT THE VALVE. The worst case is to finish opposite the valve, because that will prevent the bead from dropping into the 'well' of the rim. Start just lef

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Bob
A few drops of dish soap in a few tablespoons of water, spread around the bead, never hurt nuthin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from th

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Aaron Thomas
Yes, I had difficulty mounting my first pair of Parigi-Roubaix. I even broke a steel-core tire lever in the process. But the struggle was worth it. They're awesome tires! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discuss

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Minh
this guy helped me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFVrl0UT4 On Nov 11, 10:13 am, William wrote: > The key to mounting a super tight tire without using levers at all is > getting down into the rim well.  Some of the uber stiff Schwalbes and > Continentals can be really challenging. > > Theres

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread William
The key to mounting a super tight tire without using levers at all is getting down into the rim well. Some of the uber stiff Schwalbes and Continentals can be really challenging. Theres another video out there where he uses toe straps a few times around the tire to hold the bead down in the

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Jay
Save your groaning, cussing anf huffing for climbing hills. Get one of a Kool Stop tire bead jack, one of these http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html#tirelevers Works great, 11 buck, Amazon has them. Jay On Nov 11, 1:58 am, Marc Schwartz wrote: > Tried mounting some 700c Challenge Parigi Robaix cl