[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Garth
At the very least Mathew the appropriate size allen wrenches to loosen the FD cable and raise FD itself so you can see if the chain will come loose on it's own or requires a little tugging. If it requires more force, seeing that the RD is stretched out to the max you should release the chains qu

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Joe Bernard
I don't see anything about "up", he said - sorry for speaking for you Matthew - it was loose on the seattube and out of alignment with the rings. I'm not entirely convinced this made the problem worse btw, the chain was going to suck back up the rear of the chainring and run into a properly ali

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread 藍俊彪
I don't get it. How could an FD slip "up" the frame? Usually it slips down, no? On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Joe Bernard wrote: > Hey Piaw, joke's on me. Matthew says the chain was stretched AND the > derailleur was in a bad position! 🤣 > > Joe "hey, don't ask me" Bernard > > On Friday, Septe

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Hey Piaw, joke's on me. Matthew says the chain was stretched AND the derailleur was in a bad position! 🤣 Joe "hey, don't ask me" Bernard On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 1:51:25 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > Chains falling of a chainring is OK. You just stop and put it back on. > I've don

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread 藍俊彪
Even on a mountain bike 500 miles would be a short lifespan for a chain. Last time I heard a "crack" on my bike it was because my frame cracked. Since you use quick links, the appropriate tool to carry is granite talon tyre lever chain pliers: https://amzn.to/3xuE7j2. I'd also carry the a set of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread 藍俊彪
Chains falling of a chainring is OK. You just stop and put it back on. I've done that many times and it's no big deal. I wouldn't even bother talking about it. A chain getting jammed inside the FD? That is occasion for much cursing. A chain getting caught in the FD and then jamming in between the

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Matthew Williams
Thanks for your help, everyone. I very much appreciate it. Earlier this morning, I took my bike to the shop; here’s what we found and fixed: 1: The chain was stretched and kinked. 2: The front derailleur was loose and out of alignment. 3: The front rings and rear cassette were all in good shap

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Joe Bernard
I shall have a cow over the relevancy of the derailleur, it did not cause the problem, it was the place where the problem ended. The implement does not exist on my Riv, hence the chain suck would have ended at the chain eventually dropping out of the suck or - worst case - falling off my single

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Garth
It appears the whole thing was just a "perfect storm" of stuff hitting the fan. The chain appears to be wedged in between the FD and the ring, so yes. it is surely relevant beyond existing on the frame. The saddle, that's merely existing on the frame and having no part in this. My best gue

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Agreed, it's not a front derailleur problem beyond the fact that it exists and is on the frame. On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:19:48 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote: > I'm confused by folks who are saying the front derailer caused this. The > chain that jammed was pulled up from the bottom of the c

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Wesley
I'm confused by folks who are saying the front derailer caused this. The chain that jammed was pulled up from the bottom of the chainring before it jammed in the derailer. The root problem is why did the chain stick to the chainring (defying gravity and the pull of the rear derailer) rather than

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread lconley
Lack of maintenance would be a prime factor in my mind. Keeping the drivetrain and the rim braking surface clean will prevent problems and extend the life of components. Laing Delray Beach FL On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote: > My chain jammed in my f

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Garth
Regardless if the chain width is a contributing factor or not(It's the FD that is the crux of the issue), 5-8 speed chains are not the same inner width as 9-speed and above. Would I use an 11-speed chain on a 7-8 speed cassette/FW ? Absolutely not. I've used a 9 to try and it worked okay, but

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Joe Bernard
With the disclaimer that I highly doubt chain width is the OP's problem - it was just one of the possibilities I introduced, I think old goopy lube and/or a worn drivetrain are most likely - I do not agree with Mr. Zinn. My Wipperman 8-speed chain does indeed have a slightly wider inner width th

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Garth
That FD . If I only know classic looking FD's with their nice long cages, I'd say that particular FD looks like it's been chopped off. Of course that not literal, but functionally it has been. I can totaly see how such a cage could jam as seen in the photo. I can't see exactly how many teeth on

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-16 Thread Nick Payne
I'd say that your middle chainring is probably quite worn, to the point where the teeth refused to let go of the bottom run of the chain and carried it up and around until it jammed under the derailleur and top run of chain. As to how to avoid it, replace chainrings before they get to that poin

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Clarifying: I don't actually know what chain you're using, I'm just wondering if you have a 10- or 11-speed chain on those 7/8/9-ish rings. A 10 should work but you could get unlucky, an 11 probably won't. On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 9:01:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > I shall specula

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-15 Thread Joe Bernard
I shall speculate: I see a chain on the middle ring that stayed stuck to the teeth at the bottom and came back up the backside until it jammed in the derailleur. Causes: 1. Old gloopy lube could stick to the chainring teeth. 2. A worn tooth might snag the chain (I'm less convinced of this one)

[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

2022-09-15 Thread Piaw Na
It's possible that your chain is too long and all that happened was that the chain bounced and got caught up. Usually something like this is called "chain suck." I've had a chain wrap itself around the rear derailleur and ripped the entire derailleur hanger off (that ended the ride!), and I've