I'm a software engineer. It really drives me up the wall when someone
who's not an engineer asks for some implementation detail based on
some buzzwords that they don't understand. Even worse is having to
justify design decisions to people who don't have the background
knowledge to understand the
I would love to know what my '99 AR was constructed with and which
talented craftsman actually built it. I know someone at match did the
brazing and JB painted it, but have no idea of what the tubes are.
(not that it really matters, more of a curiosity than anything else)
On Feb 12, 4:15 pm, Rya
Actually, I still have the documentation from the custom Riv I ordered
in 2000. As delivery time approached Rivendell sent me the tubing
specs for my frame. True Temper OX PLAT and
Reynolds 753, 725, and EB705? Reynolds for the fork blades.I like
that purple Reynolds decal..it's still hangin' in
+1 for what stevep33 says.
For me, the way a bike rides is more than the sum of the parts.
I got a custom Riv as I knew that Rivendells are great bikes.
My Riv rides better than I could have imagined, plus it's gorgeous.
As Grant said during one of our conversations, ' don't worry your bike
will
I enjoyed the post. I've never really known what kind of tubing my
Rivendells were/are made of (Atlantis and Quickbeam). I've had people ask me
what kind of tubing is used on my Atlantis and I've had to answer "I don't
know". That's the same answer I give when someone asks me how much my bike
weigh
ah...my eyes! I had to look at aluminum!!!
With so many variables, so many assumptions, it is pure bliss when you
can get the right frame for you. But you have to ride a bunch of frogs
before you find the right one.
~Mike
On Feb 10, 10:07 pm, cyclotourist wrote:
> My fave: http://farm4.st
My fave: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3649220336_ce38943b09.jpg
Can't beat that!
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Roger wrote:
> Here's the tubing decal I want:
> http://tinyurl.com/4lngmke
>
> On Feb 10, 5:20 pm, "Oliver S." wrote:
> > Grant's post was timely as I've been obsessing o
LOVE the trivia - THANKS GRANT!!!
That was the most interesting post I've read in quite awhile (yes, I'm
a nerd.)
Mostly, I enjoyed your explanation of the reasons for choosing
different tubes--makes perfect sense. My AHH beautiful to look at, but
more importantly is an absolute delight to ride,
As I was riding home this evening on my DTT Sam, in the dark, 17
degrees F, on an ice-covered bike trail, the thought struck me as it
has many times before that I've enjoyed riding this bike more than any
other two-wheeled contraption that I've had in the past 50 years, and
there have been many. W
Here's the tubing decal I want:
http://tinyurl.com/4lngmke
On Feb 10, 5:20 pm, "Oliver S." wrote:
> Grant's post was timely as I've been obsessing over decals/tubing
> details when searching for old bikes on craigslist to restore. I did
> learn a few things about tubing, but need to cool the labe
Grant's post was timely as I've been obsessing over decals/tubing
details when searching for old bikes on craigslist to restore. I did
learn a few things about tubing, but need to cool the label search
down and focus on clearances, fit, construction quality, and the other
important factors Grant me
Does this list operate any other way?
:)
"Not to split hairs,"
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"Grant has noted in other posts (on the Hunqapillar, iirc) that Kasei
makes the
very best tubing avail and some of that is used in the 'Pillar"
Not to split hairs, but I think all Grant said about Hunqapillar
maintubes was that the tubing was the most expensive they could find.
That's precisely wh
Not to belabor the now infamous analogy, and generally be more
annoying than I already am, but regarding wood again:I think there
are situations where, even for a given species, the particular samples
of wood used for a certain application might be important.
For instance, two pieces of wood,
Interesting to see Grant respond. When I (just) read the article, my
interpretation was that there are different "types" of Reynolds, or
Columbus or (insert favorite here) tubing. Seamed, not seamed,
straight gauge, butted, double butted, triple butted. Etc. And not
everyone knows the differenc
The combined age of these three frames with different tubing is 85
years -- the three of them give me tremendous enjoyment!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46647848@N02/
On Feb 10, 5:11 am, newenglandbike wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> There's a new blog post on the Rivendell site, about the tubing used
> on
On Feb 10, 10:03 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > I don't know, I recently had my back yard cleared and we found dry rot
> > on the post holding up the deck (its 20ft in the air), so I'm going
> > to have to replace it.
>
> But you can make the analogy even more complicated.
>
But that's not what I'm
On Feb 10, 9:33 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > About the only thing I'll say by way of defense of the question is
> > maybe 2% of the buying public can discern these differences. I
> > empathize with a builder (whether bike or house) that gets asked these
> > question because there's no way of know
Personally, I'd love to know things like tubing thickness, brand,
brazing material, reasons behind choosing them, expected outcomes of
choosing them, etc. It's just plain fascinating to hear.
However... in my case it's simply curiosity. And probably even that
curiosity wouldn't extend beyond some
Lots of responses! From my point of view, one of the values of the
blogstuff is that it doesn't have to be thoroughly thought-out. I can
get a bug and turn it into a monster, or just vent, or whatever. So,
even though I know what I mean and intend to say basically, it doesn't
always come off perfe
On Feb 10, 12:33 pm, JoelMatthews wrote:
> I would wager that even some pre-eminent bike builders can not say
> with absolute certainty that if bike A has a downtube with wall
> thickness x it will deliver ride y to a rider of weight z. There are
> some general assumptions that may be made. The
> I don't know, I recently had my back yard cleared and we found dry rot
> on the post holding up the deck (its 20ft in the air), so I'm going
> to have to replace it.
But you can make the analogy even more complicated.
There are probably some asthetic rationale behind your specifying wood
based
On Feb 10, 7:10 am, newenglandbike wrote:
> The wood analogy is not mine; it's from the original blog post. But
> I think the intended purpose of the analogy is very clear, even if the
> analysis of it may or may not be (to me anyway).
>
I don't know, I recently had my back yard cleared and we
> About the only thing I'll say by way of defense of the question is
> maybe 2% of the buying public can discern these differences. I
> empathize with a builder (whether bike or house) that gets asked these
> question because there's no way of knowing up front whether the person
> asking is in the
I hope my post didn't come off with some kind of irreverent tone- it
*definitely* wasn't meant that way. I just thought it was an
interesting/thought-provoking blog entry, that's all.I enjoyed
reading it and thought we could discuss it here.
Matt
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Do we know the wall thicknesses from previous mention or is implicit
to the tubing model? (ie. True Temper Verus HT cromo seat tubes only
come in one wall thickness.) Wall thickness is the thing I've always
wondered but never asked, because it always seemed pretty obvious --
to me, apparently there
> Well Well.. I'm glad I'm not Grant. Write a quick article on how you feel
> and have your anologies disected more so than the overal point being made.
I was just harrassing GP on Cement and Steel over wood. In hindsight,
perhaps I should have left it unsaid. If I recall from my
undergraduate
A Rivendell could be made of bubble gum for all I care. It looks and
rides just like I expect from a Rivendell and that is all that
matters.
With custom stuff..it's appropriate just to say to a reputable builder
that I want the bike to feel like XYZ and have some specific features
- have them pic
In the early days, GP wrote copiously in readers and catalogs about
the tubing specs: thickness, butt lengths, belly dent resistance,
external butting, etc. - and all with their dimensions given, not just
the "a bit more here and there." He wrote like he was talking with
adults, and I liked the cha
Thu, 10 Feb 2011 06:45:21 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
> From: petepe...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> About newenglandbike's wood analogy, I think a more accurate analogy
> might be that knowing the TYPE of wood is impo
The wood analogy is not mine; it's from the original blog post. But
I think the intended purpose of the analogy is very clear, even if the
analysis of it may or may not be (to me anyway).
On Feb 10, 9:51 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> Actually, if you are going to make a quality home, steel and ceme
Actually, if you are going to make a quality home, steel and cement
framing are the better way to go.
The AHH is not a custom bike. If the buyer wants to spec tubing, find
a builder who will use the tubing of your choice. Many builders,
including those considered among the best, will accept littl
The wood analogy is not mine; it's from the original blog post.
On Feb 10, 9:51 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> Actually, if you are going to make a quality home, steel and cement
> framing are the better way to go.
>
> The AHH is not a custom bike. If the buyer wants to spec tubing, find
> a builde
About newenglandbike's wood analogy, I think a more accurate analogy
might be that knowing the TYPE of wood is important, but knowing the
BRAND is probably not. You certainly want to know your house is being
built of a certain grade and species, but whether that wood comes from
Weyerhauser or Georg
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