Re: [RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-27 Thread Jan Heine
Good point, Steve. I was trying to say that the Dream Bar was more a 1970s bar, whereas the Noodle is more a 1950s bar in the mold of the Philippe Professionel. (There were other 1950s bars, some of which had almost no ramps at all.) Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com On

Re: [RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 15:29 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: > The handlebars on the 1980 René Herse are Cinelli 64s. As Matthew > pointed out, Rivendell used to sell these as the "Dream Bars". Not so. The Nitto 176 is the Dream Bar. I have 5 of them in service. The Cinelli 64 is very different: for one

[RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-26 Thread Jan Heine
The handlebars on the 1980 René Herse are Cinelli 64s. As Matthew pointed out, Rivendell used to sell these as the "Dream Bars". For comfort, the older Philippe Professionels are much more comfortable. The Nitto Noodles are loosely based on those, and the Grand Bois Maes Parallel bars are a clo

[RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-26 Thread Matthew J
Maybe placement but I much prefer the feel of these old Super Record levers (close to Mafac proportions) to the modern. The bars on this bike are what Riv used to sell as Nitto Dream Bars. I think but am not certain these are close to what Riv now calls Mark's bars. http://www.flickr.com/pho

[RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-26 Thread hsmitham
Jan, Thanks for sharing a part of history and evolution of artisanal frame building. I really enjoyed the points you made about the differences between Rene & Desbois. I have to concur with Michael that the brake levers/ hood placement look uncomfortable. Best, Hugh Sunland, CA On Friday, A

[RBW] Re: 1980 René Herse Randonneuse

2013-04-26 Thread Michael Hechmer
I enjoyed looking at these photos. So much eye wash, or as my coworkers used to say, bike porn. The HBs and levers don't look as comfortable as modern noodles and more contemporary levers. I was also surprised by how very short the straddle cables are. I have posted Racers on my tandem, whi