Re: [RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Jim Bronson
Heh. For me, I tend to pick up acorns quite a lot. Leaves are another frequent visitor to the innards of my fender wells. I ride 99.999% on pavement, but the nearby Southern Walnut Creek Trail that I like to ride on goes through a heavily treed area as it's in the flood plain for Walnut Creek.

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread NickBull
I try to mount my fenders so that the clearance between the rear of the fender and the tire is the tightest clearance anywhere along the fender. That way, anything that enters between the back of the fender and the tire should be able to continue along the path under the fender, rather than ge

Re: [RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado
Yes I do..Thanks. Jon On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 11:52:04 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 12/14/2015 01:50 PM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado wrote: > > I'm riding cream SKS P45s with 38 Little Bens and side pulls on my > > Sam. The fenders are up tight against the side p

Re: [RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/14/2015 01:50 PM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado wrote: I'm riding cream SKS P45s with 38 Little Bens and side pulls on my Sam. The fenders are up tight against the side pulls in the front. I hear pebbles scraping the fenders ALL THE TIME. Cottonwood leaves are a constant annoya

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado
I'm riding cream SKS P45s with 38 Little Bens and side pulls on my Sam. The fenders are up tight against the side pulls in the front. I hear pebbles scraping the fenders ALL THE TIME. Cottonwood leaves are a constant annoyance. A few times during a 30 mile ride I have to stop and pull them out

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yes, that is exactly what I am writing and believe Jan would agree with that. Michael On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:20:30 PM UTC-5, ted wrote: > > Michael, > > Are you saying the 20 mm Jan referred to is the difference between tire > and fender measured width, and not the space between tire

Re: [RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Jim Bronson
I roll with 7mm, LoupLoup Passes 650Bx38, Rivendell P45 cream Longboards. Probably not ideal, but I'm not about to change it. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Well there you have it. I guess there is a situation where you will find > Jan say 20mm. Again it is useful to re

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-14 Thread Bill Lindsay
Well there you have it. I guess there is a situation where you will find Jan say 20mm. Again it is useful to remember context. Jan says right here 20mm of headroom when you are specifying the clearance on a custom frame. Most people posting on these lists are not specifying a custom frame,

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread Jan Heine
Interesting discussion. Just to clarify, I really do like to see 20 mm of "air" between the top of the tire and the fender. Here is a photo: https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/compass_babyshoe.jpg Anything less risks trouble when your tires pick up small rocks and drag them through th

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yes, Ted, I would say that Jan's guidance for best practices is to try to have 8-10mm of clearance between fender and tire, everywhere. Many do go with much less, particularly for those who try to run the absolute widest tire their bike will take. On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:50:01 PM U

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread ted
Bill, Thanks for straightening me out. Would it be fair to say that standard practice is minimum clearance of 8 to 10 mm, though some folks go with much less than that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from thi

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Thanks for the clarification, but I still think you misunderstand what Jan is recommending in the post you quote. In that post, Jan is specifically saying that a 60mm wide fender is intended to use with a 42mm tire. They recommend that the width of the fender should be about 20mm wider than th

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread ted
Michael, Are you saying the 20 mm Jan referred to is the difference between tire and fender measured width, and not the space between tire and fender? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread Michael Hechmer
Metal fenders have a rolled lip about 4 mm wide, so that uses 8 mm of real estate. If you have 5 mm of clearance on each side that gets you to 18mm. So a 32 mm tire will want a 50 mm tire or more. You can cheat on that number a bit but you run more risk of both rubbing and trapping debris. P

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread ted
Thanks Bill, Just for reference, in the 650B group Jan posted: "If you use these fenders with wider tires, you encroach on the clearance between tire and fender. We recommend 20 mm between tire and fender for safety. If you use a tire that is about 8 mm wider, you reduce that to 12 mm. The bik

[RBW] Re: "adequate" fender clearance

2015-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
I think you may have misunderstood what Jan writes. The only place he goes all the way to 20mm of clearance that I know of is when you are scoping out whether or not you have clearance on your frame. He writes you shoudl have 15mm between the fork crown and the tire or the rear stay bridges an