Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-21 Thread Greg Hendershott
> To bring this more on topic, I think a good approach to all these issues from > a Racket perspective is to develop an HTML5 web-app framework that > intelligently adjusts content for the device making the request. This way > Racket apps could run across all platforms with a decent HTML5 browse

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-19 Thread Jim Wise
David Brown writes: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 01:32:19PM -0400, Jim Wise wrote: > >>Remember, this isn't even a question of what you can run on your iPhone >>-- the (free!) iPhone developer kit lets you download software you >>compile yourself from your computer to the iPhone. What you can't do

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread David Brown
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 01:32:19PM -0400, Jim Wise wrote: Remember, this isn't even a question of what you can run on your iPhone -- the (free!) iPhone developer kit lets you download software you compile yourself from your computer to the iPhone. What you can't do is upload that software to Ap

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Eli Barzilay
1. I cannot agree with Neil more strongly. I now have a ipad (for various reasons), and I think that the most obvious word that comes up to my mind seeing it is "fear". I view a future like John describes (computers running only approved apps) as a 1984-ish kind of hell -- and I think

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Noel Welsh
> Karl Winterling writes: > >> I know this is a bit off-topic, but I wanted to see if anybody knows >> of an iPad-like device that lets you install LaTeX and a PDF viewer >> that supports annotations. > There are a tonne of ebook readers than run Linux (or Android): http://en.wikipedia.org/wik

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Jim Wise
Karl Winterling writes: > I know this is a bit off-topic, but I wanted to see if anybody knows > of an iPad-like device that lets you install LaTeX and a PDF viewer > that supports annotations. Sadly, that would also be against the terms of Apple's end-user license (TeX would be a language inter

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Jim Wise
Karl Winterling writes: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jim Wise wrote: >> >> I think the only real confusion comes in when you look at the iPhone and >> think of it as a general-purpose computer -- an environment where you >> are used to downloading your own software.  A better comparison i

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Raffael Cavallaro
On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:41 PM, John Clements wrote: > I think it's a good idea to be aware that the ability to compile and run > arbitrary programs on the computers sold to us by Apple (or any other > company) is not a constitutionally protected right, and that many if not all > OS vendors would

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread 'Paul Ojanen'
> Remember, this isn't even a question of what you can run on your iPhone > -- the (free!) iPhone developer kit lets you download software you > compile yourself from your computer to the iPhone. Their SDK runs on MY computer? -Paul _ For list-r

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Neil Van Dyke
I think the only real confusion comes in when you look at the iPhone and think of it as a general-purpose computer The smartphone is a key ubiquitous computing device, and I believe that the app selection for iPhone/Android/etc. constitutes "general-purpose." I believe that keeping these pl

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Karl Winterling
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jim Wise wrote: > > I think the only real confusion comes in when you look at the iPhone and > think of it as a general-purpose computer -- an environment where you > are used to downloading your own software.  A better comparison is to a > game console like a Nin

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread John Clements
On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Jim Wise wrote: > I think the only real confusion comes in when you look at the iPhone and > think of it as a general-purpose computer -- an environment where you > are used to downloading your own software. A better comparison is to a > game console like a Nintendo

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Karl Winterling
I know this is a bit off-topic, but I wanted to see if anybody knows of an iPad-like device that lets you install LaTeX and a PDF viewer that supports annotations. On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Karl Winterling wrote: > It's probably a mix of Apple's desire to have a consistent user > interface

Re: [racket] iPhone

2010-06-18 Thread Jim Wise
Neil Van Dyke writes: > There is also anti-free-speech territory, with Apple prohibiting > "objectionable" content.  Although sometimes they have disingenuously > used the "family values" line for anticompetitive purposes, such as > prohibiting a Project Gutenberg e-book viewer because that compe

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Karl Winterling
It's probably a mix of Apple's desire to have a consistent user interface, control code distribution through the app store, prevent worthy competing API's (like, say, Java ME) from challenging Cocoa (which partially concerns money and partially consistent UI), and assure the FCC and carriers that n

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread 'Paul Ojanen'
> Even if one is willing to jump through Apple's hoops, and one accepts > that, at any time and for any reason, Apple will have no qualms about > simply kicking one off the platform, instantly and without > explanation... Steve Jobs agrees... http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ ...se

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Neil Van Dyke
I have gotten a somewhat less favorable impression of Apple's motives and methods... I believe that Apple has been in anticompetitive territory, such as killing off apps when when they now compete with their own offerings or partnerships, and prohibiting features that would let developers or

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Robby Findler
We are a fair bit off topic here, but what I see in Apple's policies is a desire to ensure that their devices behave in consistent, well-designed ways and to make that happen they have decided to do things like charge more money for them (presumably to pain for the extra work that goes into the des

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Neil Van Dyke
I think it's both. I mentioned the ethical question because one could probably find a worthwhile risk-reward solution for the short-term self-interest economics question, or one could find a way to cover one's own butt (perhaps involving a backroom deal and PR leverage), but I think that the e

Re: [racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Robby Findler
Why is this an ethical question and not an economic one? Robby On Friday, June 18, 2010, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Apple has been brutal with iPhone developers, running the platform as a > ruthless and fickle dictatorship.  I believe that this is the general > perception of iPhone developers. > >

[racket] iPhone (Was: [The Racket Blog] New comment on Racket.)

2010-06-18 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Apple has been brutal with iPhone developers, running the platform as a ruthless and fickle dictatorship. I believe that this is the general perception of iPhone developers. Even if one is willing to jump through Apple's hoops, and one accepts that, at any time and for any reason, Apple will