Yes, I've heard that and will seemingly feel it as well in N years time.
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> From: Matthias Felleisen [mailto:matth...@ccs.neu.edu]
> Sent: 07 March 2011 16:01
> To: Jukka Tuominen
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Lii
On Mar 7, 2011, at 2:30 AM, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
> (sorry, I took the days from wheather forecasting :)
>
> Now, how likely is that _any_ data/program out there now will just
> work/exist after 50 years?
Sounds like you're discussing global warming but it fits to software too.
As the first
Sorry, absolutely nothing personal (cosi fan tutti)
- It works/exists today (Racket 5.1)
- It it very likely to work/exist tomorror, as well. (PLT 4.25)
- It will propably work/exist day after (PLT 4.0)
- On third day it's 50:50 (PLT 300)
- after fifth day you are better off reading from frog's
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> Sent: 07 March 2011 04:48
> To: Neil Van Dyke
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org; Shriram Krishnamurthi
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> > (If one has ever had the mis
> (If one has ever had the misfortune of reading YouTube
> comments, one might despair that we'll ever achieve even basic literacy by
> 20th century standards, nevermind what we think is required for 21st century
> expression on the Web.)
i likd teh comant you maid hear ur ideaz r reluvent to my i
Stephen De Gabrielle wrote at 03/06/2011 06:19 AM:
Am I right in assuming that no-one has yet thought of a way to introduce a
'social contract' and appropriate govenrance? even in small organisation that
are (just) large enough to see some benefit.
People thought about social contracts and
Am I right in assuming that no-one has yet thought of a way to
introduce a 'social contract' and appropriate govenrance? even in
small organisation that are (just) large enough to see some benefit.
S.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
> Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote at 03/05/20
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> [mailto:users-boun...@racket-lang.org]On Behalf Of Matthias Felleisen
> Sent: 06 March 2011 02:33
> To: Hendrik Boom
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
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>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Hendrik
Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote at 03/05/2011 02:15 PM:
Also, in addition to the ambiguous "people lie," I'd add "ontological/knowledge
engineering is hard." I think that malice and incompetence should be considered two separate
problems that don't necessarily have exactly the same solution.
2011 01:54
> To: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 10:11:59PM +0200, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
> >
> > Even with these challenges solved, you would still need to dig
> deeper in the
> > overall archite
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 09:19:32PM +0200, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
>
> The functions that refer to ROM primitives continue to work as normal, but
> if you have chosen instead to use these new functions, they would
> dynamically use the RAM versions.
That reminds me of the Microsoft Basic that was pu
But in both of them the semantic attempts failed completely, and
progress all due to people dumping it and just go with statistic
approaches.
7 hours ago, Robby Findler wrote:
> Interesting that we seem to have made progress on the first two
> bullets of 'people lie'.
>
> Robby
>
> On Sat, Mar
On Mar 5, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> One of the difficult aspect of life-long data accumulation is dealing
> with data alrady accumulated before the new system came into existence.
Starting about 10 years ago, I started formulating potential dissertation
topics like this:
here
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 10:11:59PM +0200, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
>
> Even with these challenges solved, you would still need to dig deeper in the
> overall architecture to solve issues that Liitin tries to address. In the
> overall concept; accumulate life-long personal data and methods and intera
m Krishnamurthi
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org; Neil Van Dyke
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> Interesting that we seem to have made progress on the first two
> bullets of 'people lie'.
>
> Robby
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Sh
>
> I'll tell more about Liitin history in a while...
>
It started about ten years ago (still just a kid compared to Xanadu). The
problem with computers/computing was/is that the interfaces are so clumsy
that even at best it feels like you are interacting with them with your
elbows (both HW and SW
Interesting that we seem to have made progress on the first two
bullets of 'people lie'.
Robby
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
>> Also, in addition to the ambiguous "people lie," I'd add
>> "ontological/knowledge engineering is hard." I think that malice and
>> inco
> > 2. Have you developed portions of Liitin in Liitin? I assume you have
> > read the 1999 paper on 'revenge of the son of the Lisp machine'. Perhaps
> > you could just start with a 'demo' on how to develop something
> like it in
> > Liitin.
> >
> > In a way one should re-do the entire code base
> Also, in addition to the ambiguous "people lie," I'd add
> "ontological/knowledge engineering is hard." I think that malice and
> incompetence should be considered two separate problems that don't
> necessarily have exactly the same solution.
The "and" was meant as a separator.
http://www.well
Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote at 03/05/2011 01:35 PM:
Best summary of the problem with the Semantic Web: "People are lazy and they
lie". (I heard that from Peter Norvig, who was Baraphrasing Cory Doctorow.)
My original thesis topic (circa '98) intended to address these
problems. I don't re
And even worse, it is extremely difficult to write code that will tell
you that! :)
--hsm
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Shriram Krishnamurthi
wrote:
> Best summary of the problem with the Semantic Web: "People are lazy
> and they lie". (I heard that from Peter Norvig, who was Baraphrasing
>
Best summary of the problem with the Semantic Web: "People are lazy
and they lie". (I heard that from Peter Norvig, who was Baraphrasing
Cory Doctorow.)
Shriram
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>> To: Jukka Tuominen
>> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
>> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
>>
>> > Tho
thout something like
Liitin.
br, jukka
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Felleisen [mailto:matth...@ccs.neu.edu]
> Sent: 05 March 2011 17:55
> To: Jukka Tuominen
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
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> On Mar 4, 201
ka Tuominen; users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
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> My first thought was that it was a bit like MUMPS with its global
> variables (where global means global among processes and users,
> not just global in scope). It seems to me that per
Jukka Tuominen
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> Nice work -- good luck keeping it going!
>
> Gerernter's system, which Matthias referred to, is called
> "Lifestreams". It's a very inspiring vision.
>
Excellent story! I definitely need more pockets and gadgets :)
br, jukka
> -Original Message-
> From: David Herman [mailto:dher...@ccs.neu.edu]
> Sent: 05 March 2011 15:01
> To: Jukka Tuominen
> Cc: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tu
On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
> Those examples that you mentioned... they ended well, didn't they? :)
Yes. One way to survive (perhaps) is to learn from the mistake of others :-)
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My first thought was that it was a bit like MUMPS with its global variables
(where global means global among processes and users, not just global in
scope). It seems to me that persistence is the right way to do that. The
versioning reminds me a bit of WebDAV, or even VMS.
Sent from my iPad
O
Nice work -- good luck keeping it going!
Gerernter's system, which Matthias referred to, is called
"Lifestreams". It's a very inspiring vision.
But Dave's pointer is also apropos. Xanadu was perhaps guilty of
architecture astronautry, but the claims behind such systems may well
require that.
S
> I know there are many (near) dead-ends to be expected, but it still feels
> naiively interesting to find out what't at the end of the road. Those
> examples that you mentioned... they ended well, didn't they? :)
Speaking of ending well, the idea of perma-programs also brings to mind Ted
Nelson'
Hi Matthias,
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Felleisen [mailto:matth...@ccs.neu.edu]
> Sent: 05 March 2011 01:01
> To: Jukka Tuominen
> Cc: Gregory Woodhouse; users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
>
> Jukka, now t
are very eager to
> hear any kind of feedback to develop it further.
>
> br, jukka
>
>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Gregory Woodhouse [mailto:gregwoodho...@me.com]
>> Sent: 04 March 2011 23:47
>> To: Jukka Tuominen
>> Subject: Re: [racket] Liit
gt; Sent: 04 March 2011 23:47
> To: Jukka Tuominen
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> I'm having a hard time finding a link to Liitin objects. Is it
> something that can be run in a Linux or OS X environment, or is
> it a standalone OS?
>
>
nd
> Sent: 04 March 2011 22:56
> To: users@racket-lang.org
> Subject: Re: [racket] Liitin screencast tutorial
>
>
> How did you get that look and feel? Was it a gtk theme or something?
>
> On 03/04/2011 01:29 PM, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
> > JFYI
> >
> > I just up
How did you get that look and feel? Was it a gtk theme or something?
On 03/04/2011 01:29 PM, Jukka Tuominen wrote:
> JFYI
>
> I just uploaded a simple Liitin screencast tutorial to Youtube. Thanks
> Stephen for the suggestion! This tutorial concentrates on a user session
> basics and Liitin object
JFYI
I just uploaded a simple Liitin screencast tutorial to Youtube. Thanks
Stephen for the suggestion! This tutorial concentrates on a user session
basics and Liitin objects. It's in three parts due to Youtube's limitations,
roughly 30 min. in all.
1/3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQmAgmss4
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