I'm not sure if this is really a matter of either/or - from a usability
standpoint, I find DrRacket excellent, but it does seem a bit old-fashioned in
some ways. I frankly find it a bit difficult to say just how. I know it doesn't
look like Eclipse (and, yes, it wasn't hard to guess that the per
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
>
> so i might be totally the wrong audience because i can't stomach
> trying to get to the stuff that is under the skin-deep-ugly to the
> deeper way cool powerful technology.
We, and in particular Robby, have put a lot of effort into making
Dr
20 minutes ago, Raoul Duke wrote:
> (a) oh based on previous experience, i expect you of all people to
> be blunt! so i don't mind at all! :-)
I'll do that.
> where i'm coming from: [...]
No relevance, except:
> i'm using [...] mac os x. (at home i use that or linux since
> my xp box is dead.
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Robby Findler
wrote:
> For the above, however, what do you mean? From what I read of Apple's
> UI guidelines, DrRacket conforms. For example, the apple menu has the
> specified menu items, as do the file and edit menus, in the places
> where they are supposed to be
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi
> wrote:
>> too vague (and, if you don't mind my saying, a bit too inflammatory)
>
> (a) oh based on previous experience, i expect you of all people to be
> blunt! so i don't mind at all!
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Grant Rettke wrote:
> New IDEs always feel weird. Try out EiffelStudio and it seems so weird
> but after a few days it feels right at home. DrRacket is the same.
for sure there are lots of ways to look at this issue. what is the
real target audience? what can we e
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi
wrote:
> too vague (and, if you don't mind my saying, a bit too inflammatory)
(a) oh based on previous experience, i expect you of all people to be
blunt! so i don't mind at all! :-)
(b) i just did the 5 (okay maybe 7) minute thing that i
That would be great.
Thanks,
Robby
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
> hi,
>
>> That's an amazing statement.
>
> in my experience which is now out of date, it was that i felt the ide
> was like something from the 70s when it comes to the usability /
> intuitiveness of it. it see
I have spent a fair amount of time trying to keep the clutter out of
the UI --- something that, 5 or so years ago, it seemed like every
other IDE worked hard to add (clutter, that is). I found them to be a
maze of random buttons that, when I clicked them, gave me messages
that made it clear that I
Why don't you spend a little time writing down your thoughts, and then
post them. Maybe there are things that you're just missing that are
already in there. Or perhaps you find what you want but the path to
getting there is unintuitive, and seeing the feedback will help
improve the user experienc
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Robby Findler
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
>>> That's a topic for a different discussion thread, but... I'm guessing some
>>> factors that would affect this comparative asses
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Grant Rettke wrote:
> The 15 or so developers that I know personally who tried out DrRacket
> at my recommendation all complained about the UI. "It is a toy." and
> "Does anyone actually use this?" were a running theme. I told them
> that I use it and it is pretty
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
> hi,
>
>> That's an amazing statement.
>
> in my experience which is now out of date, it was that i felt the ide
> was like something from the 70s when it comes to the usability /
> intuitiveness of it. it seemed weird and modal and confusing and
hi,
> That's an amazing statement.
in my experience which is now out of date, it was that i felt the ide
was like something from the 70s when it comes to the usability /
intuitiveness of it. it seemed weird and modal and confusing and just
not something that came across quickly and easily.
i'm i
>
>
>> ...but it looks like it does try to load it for you. Did you play
>> with the TERM environment variable by any chance?
>>
>
> I don't have a TERM variable set, but I do have MINGW (Git Bash) installed.
>
> "racket -il xrepl" crashes both when run from plain CMD and from Git bash.
>
>
Maybe
Hi Eli,
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:51, Eli Barzilay wrote:
>
> There is no need to use readline on Windows, since cmd does its own
> thing anyway.
>
What if using Git Bash instead of plain cmd?
>
> > Should I expect XREPL to work normally under Windows?
>
> It should not try to load readlin
10 minutes ago, Rodolfo Carvalho wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just installed the new Racket and I'm trying the new features.
> Online syntax check works so nicely!
>
> I think I had some trouble trying to get readline (Racket
> collection) to work some months ago, and I just figured out I
> probably gav
Eli Barzilay wrote at 11/12/2011 04:27 PM:
Two hours ago, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
Jay Riddle wrote at 11/12/2011 12:45 PM:
What is the option to get Racket to install to the standard unix
directories? I have compiled Racket 5.2 on a Ubuntu 11.10. I have
done a quick test of DrRacket and
Hello,
I just installed the new Racket and I'm trying the new features.
Online syntax check works so nicely!
I think I had some trouble trying to get readline (Racket collection) to
work some months ago, and I just figured out I probably gave up (it does
work well on Linux).
Should I expect XREP
Two hours ago, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
> Jay Riddle wrote at 11/12/2011 12:45 PM:
> > What is the option to get Racket to install to the standard unix
> > directories? I have compiled Racket 5.2 on a Ubuntu 11.10. I have
> > done a quick test of DrRacket and it appears to be working.
>
> Do you me
Greg Hendershott wrote at 11/12/2011 10:20 AM:
If Neil van Dyke is reading this, I think this would be an excellent
topic for your book. What are practical ways to get the benefits of
contracts during development, while minimizing or eliminating their
cost in production? Is it as simple as "rebu
Jay Riddle wrote at 11/12/2011 12:45 PM:
What is the option to get Racket to install to the standard unix
directories? I have compiled Racket 5.2 on a Ubuntu 11.10. I have
done a quick test of DrRacket and it appears to be working.
Do you mean by using the "--prefix=/usr/local" or "--prefix=/
What is the option to get Racket to install to the standard unix directories?
I have compiled Racket 5.2 on a Ubuntu 11.10. I have done a quick test of
DrRacket and it appears to be working.
Thanks --JayR
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I have not tried to profile anything to be sure that I understand what
Neil T was talking about, but my experience trying to speed up
contracts in the past has led me to believe that most of the slowdown
is in creating the wrappers, not checking the predicates (at least for
contracts that are close
> - higher-order contracts and contract regions are slow
If Neil van Dyke is reading this, I think this would be an excellent
topic for your book. What are practical ways to get the benefits of
contracts during development, while minimizing or eliminating their
cost in production? Is it as simpl
On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
>> That's a topic for a different discussion thread, but... I'm guessing some
>> factors that would affect this comparative assessment:
>>
>> (1) How much experience and skill one has with ea
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
>> That's a topic for a different discussion thread, but... I'm guessing some
>> factors that would affect this comparative assessment:
>>
>> (1) How much experience and skill one has with
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