Re: [R] standard error of difference for mixed effects

2010-09-16 Thread ONKELINX, Thierry
Dear Tony, A mixed models is not a good idea if you have only two levels for sites and two times two for phase. The first problem is a mathematical problems. You are estimating variances based on only two and four values. Which is very small, hence you will not get reliable estimates of the va

Re: [R] standard error of difference for mixed effects

2010-09-15 Thread Dennis Murphy
Hi: Why is phase nested within sites? Shouldn't sites and phase be crossed? After all, there is one intervention (works) that purportedly affects the river both upstream and downstream. Moreover, why is log(flow) being treated as both a fixed and random effect? Just curious, Dennis On Wed, Sep 1