Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Ravi Varadhan
Behalf Of Claudia Beleites Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:46 PM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity On 01/07/2011 06:13 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: > A more insidious problem, that may not affect the work of Jona

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Joel Schwartz
From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Graves Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:13 PM To: Carl Witthoft Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity > A more insidious probl

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Claudia Beleites
On 01/07/2011 06:13 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: A more insidious problem, that may not affect the work of Jonah Lehrer, is political corruption in the way research is funded, with less public and more private funding of research Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but the term _political_ corruption

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread John Kane
--- On Fri, 1/7/11, Peter Langfelder wrote: > From: Peter Langfelder > Subject: Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, > scientific validity > To: "r-help@r-project.org" > Received: Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:06 AM > >From a purely statist

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Ravi Varadhan
: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:01 PM To: Ravi Varadhan Cc: 'Mike Marchywka'; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity I applaud your efforts, Ravi. Regarding "Whose data is it?", I humbly suggest that re

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Spencer Graves
rchywka Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Wyy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity I wholeheartedly agree with the trend towards publishing datasets. One way to do that is as datasets in an R package contributed to CRAN. Beyond this, there seems

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Alan Kelly
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Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Ravi Varadhan
: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity I wholeheartedly agree with the trend towards publishing datasets. One way to do that is as datasets in an R package contributed to CRAN. Beyond this, there seems to be an increa

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Spencer Graves
empirical-study-of-data-sharing-by-authors-publishing-in-plos-journals-2/>). On 1/7/2011 4:08 AM, Mike Marchywka wrote: > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 23:06:44 -0800 >> From: peter.langfel...@gmail.com >> To: r-help@r-project.org >> Subject: Re: [

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-07 Thread Mike Marchywka
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 23:06:44 -0800 > From: peter.langfel...@gmail.com > To: r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] Wyy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, > scientific validity > > >From a purely statistical and maybe somewhat naive point of vi

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-06 Thread Peter Langfelder
>From a purely statistical and maybe somewhat naive point of view, published p-values should be corrected for the multiple testing that is effectively happening because of the large number of published studies. My experience is also that people will often try several statistical methods to get the

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-06 Thread Spencer Graves
Part of the phenomenon can be explained by the natural censorship in what is accepted for publication: Stronger results tend to have less difficulty getting published. Therefore, given that a result is published, it is evident that the estimated magnitude of the effect is in average lar

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-06 Thread Frank Harrell
I was very impressed with Lehrer's article. I look forward to seeing what the rebuttals come up with. The picture that Lehrer paints of the quality of scientific publications is very dark, and it seems to me, quite plausible. Note that Lehrer is the author of "Proust Was a Neuroscientist" which

Re: [R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-06 Thread Carl Witthoft
The next week's New Yorker has some decent rebuttal letters. The case is hardly as clear-cut as the author would like to believe. Carl __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide

[R] Waaaayy off topic...Statistical methods, pub bias, scientific validity

2011-01-06 Thread Bert Gunter
Folks: The following has NOTHING (obvious) to do with R. But I believe that all on this list would find it relevant and, I hope, informative. It is LONG. I apologize in advance to those who feel I have wasted their time. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer Best re