Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Dylan Beaudette
> >>> > >>> r-help is starting to border on uselessness because of the age old > >>> problem > >>> of the same question being asked every two days, a high frequency of > >>> specialty questions, and answers given with the best of intentions in >

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Douglas Bates
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Dowle wrote: >> As far as I know you are wrong that there is no moderator.  There are in >> fact an uncountable number of people who are empowered to moderate i.e. all >> of us. In other words it

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Ben Bolker
blue sky gmail.com> writes: I almost certainly shouldn't feed the trolls, but: 1. ?kruskal.test (listed in "see also" in ?wilcox.test) 2. One of the disadvantages of nonparametric tests is that it is in general difficult to generalize them to analogues of arbitrarily complex linear mixed mod

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Robert A LaBudde
e with him. I would also like to >>> urge the R-gurus to ignore such postings. >>> >>> Best, >>> Ravi. >>> >>> >>> Ravi Varadhan, Ph.D. >>> Assistant Professor,

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Matthew Dowle wrote: John, So you want BlueSky to change their name to "Paul Smith" at "New York University", just to give a totally random, false name, example, and then you will be happy ? I just picked a popular, real name at a real, big place. Are you, or is anyone else, going to c

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Ted Harding
wiki or hierarchically designed discussion web forum), as there is no >>> moderator for the list. We don't need even more traffic from >>> anonymous >>> postings. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Matthew Dowle
sentiments. I also think that it is bad posting >>>> etiquette not to sign one's genuine name and affiliation when asking >>>> for >>>> help, which "blue sky" seems to do a lot. Bert Gunter has already >>>> raised this issue, and I completely ag

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread John Sorkin
>>> >>> Best, >>> Ravi. >>> >>> >>> Ravi Varadhan, Ph.D. >>> Assistant Professor, >>> Division of Geriatric Medicine and Gerontology >>> School of Me

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Dowle wrote: > As far as I know you are wrong that there is no moderator.  There are in > fact an uncountable number of people who are empowered to moderate i.e. all > of us. In other words its up to the responders to moderate.  The posting I think moderat

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Matthew Dowle
est, >>> Ravi. >>> >>> >>> Ravi Varadhan, Ph.D. >>> Assistant Professor, >>> Division of Geriatric Medicine and Gerontology >>> School of Medicine >>> Johns Hopkin

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread blue sky
I don't see which a link has the GENERAL and COMPLETE MATHEMATICAL description of nonparametric ANOVA for ARBITRARY MODEL. Would you please be specific which one does so? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jeremy Miles wrote: > Two links for you which will get your answer much quicker than a mailin

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread blue sky
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:42 AM, David Winsemius wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Matthias Gondan wrote: > >>> This is your first of three postings in the last hour and they are all in >>> a category that could well be described as requests for tutoring in basic >>> statistical topics. I am

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
y School of Medicine Johns Hopkins University Ph. (410) 502-2619 email: rvarad...@jhmi.edu - Original Message - From: David Winsemius Date: Friday, March 5, 2010 9:25 am Subject: Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA To: blue sky Cc: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch On Mar 5, 2010,

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Jeremy Miles
Two links for you which will get your answer much quicker than a mailing list: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=non-parametric+anova+R or http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=non+parametric+anova+R Jeremy On 5 March 2010 05:19, blue sky wrote: > My interpretation of the relation between 1-

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
; Division of Geriatric Medicine and Gerontology > School of Medicine > Johns Hopkins University > > Ph. (410) 502-2619 > email: rvarad...@jhmi.edu > > > - Original Message ----- > From: David Winsemius > Date: Friday, March 5, 2010 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [R] No

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Ravi Varadhan
rad...@jhmi.edu - Original Message - From: David Winsemius Date: Friday, March 5, 2010 9:25 am Subject: Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA To: blue sky Cc: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch > On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:19 AM, blue sky wrote: > > > My interpretation of the r

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread David Winsemius
On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Matthias Gondan wrote: This is your first of three postings in the last hour and they are all in a category that could well be described as requests for tutoring in basic statistical topics. I am of the impression you have been requested not to engage in such

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread Matthias Gondan
> This is your first of three postings in the last hour and they are all in > a category that could well be described as requests for tutoring in basic > statistical topics. I am of the impression you have been requested not to > engage in such behavior on this list. For this question for instan

Re: [R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread David Winsemius
On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:19 AM, blue sky wrote: My interpretation of the relation between 1-way ANOVA and Wilcoxon's test (wilcox.test() in R) is the following. 1-way ANOVA is to test if two or multiple distributions are the same, assuming all the distributions are normal and have equal variances.

[R] Nonparametric generalization of ANOVA

2010-03-05 Thread blue sky
My interpretation of the relation between 1-way ANOVA and Wilcoxon's test (wilcox.test() in R) is the following. 1-way ANOVA is to test if two or multiple distributions are the same, assuming all the distributions are normal and have equal variances. Wilcoxon's test is to test two distributions ar