Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 22, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Giovanni Azua wrote: >> Mr. Gunter did not read/understand my problem, and there were no useful tips >> but only ad hominem attacks. By your side-taking I suspect you are in the >> same "party club" if you wa

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Giovanni Azua wrote: > Mr. Gunter did not read/understand my problem, and there were no useful tips > but only ad hominem attacks. By your side-taking I suspect you are in the > same "party club" if you want to defend him maybe you should start by "tying > bette

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Joshua Wiley wrote: > It is true the way you use general lists is not our business, but the > R-help list is a community and there are community rules. One of I meant that my use of the lists is not of __his__ business I wasn't referring to you nor other people in

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Joshua Wiley
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Giovanni Azua wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: >> we disagree is that I think data analysts with limited statistical >> backgrounds should consult with local statisticians instead of trying >> to muddle through on their own thru lists like

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Rolf Turner
This sort of post seems to me to be completely unacceptable. Is there a mechanism by which the list manager can unsubscribe Mr. Azua and keep him unsubscribed until he learns some manners? cheers, Rolf Turner On 22/11/11 10:28, Giovanni Azua wrote: On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Ber

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: > we disagree is that I think data analysts with limited statistical > backgrounds should consult with local statisticians instead of trying > to muddle through on their own thru lists like this. This is not meant I think that people lacking reading

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello Rob, Thank you for your suggestions. I tried glm too without success. Anyhow I include all the information just in case someone with good knowledge can give me a hand with this. I take log of the response variable because: - its values span across multiple orders of magnitudes - the diag

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Gunter
k bericht- >> Van: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] >> Namens Giovanni Azua >> Verzonden: maandag 21 november 2011 17:00 >> Aan: r-help@r-project.org >> Onderwerp: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question >> >&g

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Rob Griffin
don't have a delete button... Good luck. Rob -Original Message- From: Giovanni Azua Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:59 PM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread ONKELINX, Thierry
p@r-project.org > Onderwerp: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question > > Hello Bert, > > Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. > > 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only interaction between two > specific factors then in R one uses I(A*B*C) mea

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only interaction between two specific factors then in R one uses I(A*B*C) meaning 3-way anova for that and not the implicit 2-ways that would otherwise be computed. 2) True, but it fails

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Gunter
Giovanni: 1. Please read ?formula and/or An Introduction to R for how to specify linear models in R. 2. Correct specification of what you want (if I understand correctly) is log(R) ~ A*B + C + D 3. ... which presumably will also fail because some of your factors have only one level, which means

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello, Couple of clarifications: - A,B,C,D are factors and I am also interested in possible interactions but the model that comes out from aov R~A*B*C*D violates the model assumptions - My 2^k is unbalanced i.e. missing data and an additional level I also include in one of the factors i.e. C -

[R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello, I know there is plenty of people in this group who can give me a good answer :) I have a 2^k model where k=4 like this: Model 1) R~A*B*C*D If I use the "*" in R among all elements it means to me to explore all interactions and include them in the model i.e. I think this would be the so