Why doesn't "multilog ... '-* msg *' ... filter out "end msg 154" line?
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> Petr Novotny (Tue 16.0500-13:15):
>
> Well, I read the docs. However, what you sent shows that the docs
> are wrong; or that the program is wrong. Which of that it is - I don't
> know.
i already reviewed the pattern matching implementation in
daemontools/match.c. it seems ok. if my multilo
> Jörgen Persson (Tue 16.0500-17:20):
> maildirsmtp through the ppp-script.
please, what is maildirsmtp?
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> Carlo Manuali (Wed 17.0500-09:02):
>
> I've installed the qmail daemontools, but the svsscan don't work propertly.
> I've followed the instruction at http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svscan.html
> but what i have to do after insert the line csh -cf 'svscan /service &' in
the '&' has to be at the en
> Petr Novotny (Wed 17.0500-11:49):
>
> If I understand correctly what multilog.c does, it runs the script on
> a timestamped line; therefore a line like
> @80523452363.34123 msg something anything
> would get filtered out (if such a line appeared), but
> @80053264564.43567 new msg 81221
> James (Wed 17.0500-04:31):
> I am using Mandrake 7.02 and I am trying to get vpopmail
isn't mandrake a kind of poisonious snake eating ape? i don't know where
the ape wants his starter scripts, but on unix systems it should either go
into /usr/local/bin/ to get called manually, or
into /etc/rc
> James (Wed 17.0500-13:46):
>
> My question about the startup script from vpopmail is.. where do I insert
> that script in the qmail startup? Or do I just wipe out the current qmail
> startup script and use only vpopmail's startup?
please send us the scripts in question and the setup you got w
> Michel Carpentier (Thu 18.0500-10:11):
> May 18 09:04:55 istweb inetd[403]: pop-3/tcp server failing (looping),
> service terminated
pls send inetd.conf.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thu 18.0500-13:26):
>
> qmail is like a chainsaw: exceedingly fast and powerful and able to
> chop off your foot in less than a second.
one of the most important things to watch in qmail is =permissions=. if
set right, the foot stays in your mouth.
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> Ruediger Kern (Thu 18.0500-22:43):
> computer. So with this, the users homedir could not be created. Is there
> any possibility to let qmail create the homedir for user aa1 if it
> does not exist? Or do you propose some other mechanism like ssh, rsh,
> rexec or something like that, that woul
> blue (Thu 18.0500-13:59):
> How do I send email from script with qmail-inject?
> #!/bin/sh
echo $MYIP | qmail-inject [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Peter Green:
> > what I do not know is when I have the MX record changed at My ISP (what
> > ever the MX record is)
> > How then do I get the "Mail down to my box?" I have a permanent IP address
> > on a DSL.
> It depends. If you are wanting to use your full machine's address in your
> e-mail
> Troy Frericks:
> Why don't we TRY ADDING A FOOTER WITH UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS TO EACH
> MESSAGE, just TRY it? What is there to be afraid of?
who would evaluate the result? we should try, but also really watch what's
happening.
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> Marco Benetton:
> Hi,
> I want to know if there is a file of configuratione where i can change the
> byte of my qmail log file.
rtfm
multilog is called like this:
multilog s n
where
t | nothingfor timestamped logfiles
4096.. maximum size of one logfile, defaults to
> Russ Allbery:
> It breaks MIME structured bodies, which are often useful for particular
> purposes. It breaks some signed posts. It's useless information for 99%
> of the recipients. And I'm really sick of seeing mailing list posts
> accumulate more and more worthless junk to the point that
> Kai MacTane:
> People who are determined to be stupid seem to be:
>
> a) 100% capable of being stupid, no matter how easy you try to make it
> for them to be smart (or at least average); and
> b) 100% incapable of being convinced that they're being stupid. They
> will rationalize and j
> Racer X:
> >from mailing lists for sending unsub requests to the list. maybe we
> could set up a blacklist of mailing list morons and ban them from every
> mailing list.
we can't ban newbies making newbie mistakes while learning, or else we will
grow old together because fresh meat is missing
> Chin Fang:
> However, it's at the last stage I ran into an problem. I was trying
> not to use syslog for logging. But it seems to be that I can't write
> the logged info to STDERR, since the info would be sent to POP client
> (I confirmed this using telnet to port 110).
>
> Right now, I invo
> Patrick Berry (Fri 12.0500-15:52):
>
> Try using /var/qmail/control/databytes
i was about to ask the same question, but your answer made me check my
installation and upgrade to 1.03. however, i miss the functionality of
control/recipientmap, since several automatic processes on my system use
> Dale Miracle (Fri 12.0500-18:13):
> Mailbox or Maildir file (depending on which method you are using). You
> should be able to view the Mailbox or Maildir with a text editor or with
> the more or less pager less filename.ext or more filename.ext .
...or with your favourite mail program (lik
> Vincent Danen:
> What would be a good average value for the silent concurrency limit and is
> there a better way to figure it out on a system-by-system basis? Or
note that the concurrency-limit for either local or remote delivery
actually means the number of processes running concurrently to
> Arisandy Arief:
> how can I start qmail automatically on FreeBSD boot
> using daemontools and svscan script like this one:
i have /etc/rc.local:
#!/bin/sh
PATH="/var/qmail/bin:/var/bin:$PATH"; export PATH
...
cd /service
echo -n "supervisor scanning services... "
if [ -x /var/bin/svscan -a -
> Chin Fang:
> If you take out the 2>&1, your tcpserver will write its info msgs to
> console. In addition, the qmail-pop3d will still spit its output to
> STDERR to POP clients. Please try it and you will see for yourself.
> I just did (again, did once last night already).
i am very sorry tha
> Peter Green:
> Just for reference, I've got a K6-2/333, 384MB RAM, SCSI drives, Linux w/
> ext2fs.
with this amount of ram you can do what you want with qmail. my machine
swaps a lot for lack of ram, thats why execing is expensive here.
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> David Dyer-Bennet:
> > identical program invocations get to run their own copy of the program
> > text.
>
> I don't believe this last bit is the case. It's clearly not the case
> on Linux, anyway, as displayed by the various size numbers in 'top'.
but linux processes don't share one cop
> System Administrator:
> canany one tell me how do i clear the mail queue ?
it's in the fm. read it. "svc -a /service/qmail-send" or whatever is
appropriate for your system. if your setup is like your manual reading,
you might prefer "killall -alrm qmail-send".
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> James:
> When I enter "/usr/local/sbin/qmail start" I get this error:
> multilog: fatal: unable to lock directory /var/log/qmail%smtp: access
> denied
qmail uses unix security features like out of the book. qmails permission
setup is fine-grained. if you follow the setup proposed concerning
> James:
> I am guessing that the reason for the #10 numbers is because this time, on
> the second install, I've actually changed the existing lines in
> /etc/passwd to the LWQ suggested numbers of 7791:2108 etc.
the numbers appear if no names can be associated via /etc/passwd.
something's still
> Snowcrash wrote:
> >
> > I'm running Qmail with Vpopmail from inter7.com and I'd like to know
> > how I would forward one e-mail address to mutiple people. For example
> > messgaes sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probab
> Rajkumar S.:
> but how can i tell Qmail to send all the mails to indsoft.co.in to
> 192.168.1.1
what does your mx record say?
> also how about the error processing, ie no such user etc...
will go to the postmaster, setup in ~aliases. consult tfm.
or bounces.
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> Rajkumar S.:
> but how can i tell Qmail to send all the mails to indsoft.co.in to
> 192.168.1.1
dnsmx indsoft.co.in answers:
10 beta.indsoft.co.in
dnsip beta.indsoft.co.in answers:
203.129.250.50
so your problem might ly in the dns area.
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> kapil sharma:
> May 22 18:33:52 localhost qmail: 959000632.425508 alert: unable to append to
> bounce message; HELP! sleeping...
permissions/ownership?
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> Christian Wiese:
> But I'm still looking for a solution to seperate inbound and outbound
> mal size, but I haven't found any solution yet.
> As fa as I know it's also possible to limit the size of the mails via
> maildir, but I haven't tried this solution.
are you referring to the disk-quota?
everybody will still recall the nuisance with a certain party named:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . to dump these nessages
automatically, i put this host into control/badmailfrom. here's what
happens when fetchmail meets qmail on this topic. it renders the
mechanisms badmailfrom, databytes and the likes
i have a few entries in control/badmailfrom. a few days ago a message got
caught by this magic, but it didn't quite work as expected, because the 553
error from qmail-smatpd thrown back to the pop3 popper (fetchmail) came
only =after= it had asked for the recipient. this is the dialogue:
SMTP>
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
he who pops his mail using fetchmail and doeseth not want to download spam
from known sources in the control/badmailfrom file may use this patch to
qmail-smtpd.c:
*** qmail-smtpd.c.orig Mon Jun 15 12:53:16 1998
- --- qmail-smtpd.c Wed May 24 05:
> Rino Mardo:
> removing sendmail - but I only renamed it just in case) and my problem
> now is although I can send, when I fetchmail it complains that I don't
> have an SMTP to forward my mails to me. I've tried to use procmail in
does qmail-smtpd get started? recommended procedure is setting
> Sinisa Malesevic:
> I wont send messages out of my domen (anywhere). Messages is in queue but they not
>go out.
put ":" into control/smtproutes
> How can I set relaying correctly???
don't relay. put the domains you receive mail for into control/locals and
control/rcpthosts.
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> Rino Mardo:
> > > did i read it right? --> "..you already use procmail, use it by specifying
> > > "mda /l/bin/procmail" in
> > > .fetchmailrc."
> I was referring to "/l/bin/procmail" if you read the f$@$ email coz it doesn't
> seem right.
ok. i thought i had myself made clear. i just wanted
> Sinisa Malesevic:
> I try to send mail out with "maildirsmtp ~alias/pppdir alias-ppp- 194.247.192.52
>MyIP" , but I get this:
i have the feeling you don't understand the mechanics of emailing. please
let us know:
1. are you a leafnode (single system, no children downstream), or do you
> Chin Fang:
> One idea would be the following (in qmail-smtpd.c):
i disagree. control/databytes has the semantics wanted. why bother with
smtp size?
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> Christian Wiese:
> please tell us what kind of qmail package and what Linux distribution do
> you use.
> On some systems the POP3 service in /etc/services is called pop3, but
> qmail-pop3d uses pop-3.
> So please have a look at the /etc/services and check out what is writen
> there under port 1
> Greg Jorgensen:
> I manage a server at a small business. The server is a P133 with 32
> megs of RAM, running RedHat 6.1, Samba, and qmail 1.03. There are
> only five users connected to the server, all running Windows 98, and
> they are very light users. The entire office gets maybe 20 emails
> Paul Aviles:
> I know how to create backups for all incoming and outgoing messages
> by modifying the extra.h file, but it is possible to target only
> certain accounts to do the backup on? This box has multiple virtual
> domains and one of them wants to track incoming and outgoing only for
>
> Vince Vielhaber:
> I have two customers that are running stock qmail-1.03 that are having
> the same problem.
>
> The problem is that it takes a long time (we're talking minutes not
> seconds) for the mail to get delivered to the local mailbox. It
> also happens if a local user sends mail
> net admin:
> I want to convert all mail delivery format to ~user/Maildir but how can I
> do that for those users that aready use /var/mail delivery and don't have
> local homedirs?
that's easy. give them homedirs.
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> Dave Potter:
> Rather than modify configurations on each of the local servers, I'm trying
> to figure out the best way to have qmail on the relay machine call a
> custom program which will append to the body of a message a tagline that
> looks similar to Yahoo/Hotmail's taglines.
that's not di
> Chin Fang:
> I would say a reasonable thing to do is to make a survey on the list
> and see the scope of such a book, if one is ever written.
>
> To set up qmail for a home system and to set it up for say millions of
> active users require quite a different level of effort and
> understanding.
> Chin Fang:
> An example (which Dr. Bernstein has waned in qmail-smtpd man page in
> subtle ways): qmail-smtpd in general is quite small - 1.5 MB or less.
> However, if a newbie ISP admin comes in and slaps up a big rcpthosts
> (rather than a morercpthosts in cdb format), then qmail-smtpd can be
> Goran Blazic:
> After installing qmail on my system, suddenly there was no logging activity
> anymore... Nothing new gets written into /var/log/messages anymore?!!?
you might post /etc/syslog.conf and /etc/newsyslog.conf for us to check.
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> Goran Blazic:
> address [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the same address on different
>
> There was no way to do this, so I somehow tracked it to the fact, that I had
how is somehow? could you please describe this in more detail?
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> Pablo Martínez Schroder:
> When qmail tries to send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from our mail server
> (212.49.139.237) and the sender is [EMAIL PROTECTED], bt.es mail
> server says "Sender domain must resolve".
how about this: you either find the lines in the sources where this error
is raised
> Johan Almqvist:
> How can I get qmail to use QMTP between two boxes that there is a lot of
> traffic between? I tried putting the respective IP adresses in
> /var/qmail/control/qmqpservers, but that didn't do it.
how about this: you setup qmail-qmtpd on both machines to serve on a tcp-
port r
> Eric Cox:
> > but linux processes don't share one copy of, say, top, when it is called
> > twice by different users, do they?
>
> I'm pretty sure they do. Since programs can't modify their own
this has been discussed, and i rest my case.
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> Bruno Wolff III:
> Except that sites that block probes rather than fix open relays really
> belong in a different kind of list. I think the ORBS would be better
> off just listing confirmed open relays. If they would do this, a lot
yes, this makes sense.
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> Luca Zancan:
> "tcpserver: fatal error: unable to bind: port already in use", or
usually it's one & too many. at least two servers in the field.
clemens
> John Gonzalez/netMDC admin:
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Peter Samuel wrote:
> >I've never seen this. How? What operating system? What version of
> >inetd? You've got me curious now.
>
> man inetd
this is one of those things. we are used to spend five minutes on
inetd.conf using vendor-supplied-tem
> Greg Hinton:
> > i would like to refuse accepting emails from i.e. baddomain.com
> > or [EMAIL PROTECTED] how could this be achieved ?
>
> Probably the easiest way is to use QMAIL-HOME/control/badmailfrom, see
> the qmail-smtpd(8) man page. You could also use tcpd(8), tcpserver(8),
> or rblsm
> Derek Watson:
> qmail-start "|/var/qmail/myscripts/filter.pl ./Maildir/" splogger qmail
>
> Where filter.pl would read STDIN, filter out words, and print to STDOUT,
> in the hopes that qmail-local would pick up the rest and deliver to Maildir.
> But this doesn't seem to work out. .. I just
> Xionghui Chen:
> every time when I send mail via port 25, if the domain of the mail address is not
>belong in the file control/rcpthosts, it says:
> 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
you would select the recipients-hosts.domain:25 port. in comes the mail
d
> Photocon:
> avail. Can someone tell me what to do about a "tcpserver: fatal: unable to
> figure out port number for pop-3" error on a redhat 6.2 system?
add
pop3110/tcp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
pop3110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
pop-3
> Peter van Dijk:
> Research shows that FreeBSD 4.0's inetd actually doesn't have these
> misfeatures anymore - it has a concurrency limit (yes, really!) and a
> max-connections-per-minute-per-remote-IP.
starting with at most 2.8.8, it has. freebsd 2.8.8 is my religion.
clemens
> bjv:
> What has started to happen today is that receiving mail is slow, between
> the '.' and 'ok' from qmail (got that from telnet to port 25). Even slower
> is its sending, which is about a message every 5 or 10 seconds. The other
> noticable problem is that there are thousands of qmail-queue
> > * GNU Mailman: looks superswell, but I'd rather not have to learn python
>
> WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON
yeah! i hate it, too!
clemens
> Russ Allbery:
> > WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON
>
> It's annoying? :)
and dots-in-names dont make oo!
clemens
> Petr Novotny:
> > pop3110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3
> > pop-3 110/udp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 for qmail :)
>
> Ouch! Since when can pop3 run over udp? 110/tcp lines are just
> enough.
about as ouch than all the other entries. iana us
> Luca Zancan:
> What should I verify???
you have set up qmail somehow, so there is a line w.r.t. qmail in your
start up files. you must have started two server processes, usually due to
a commandline ending in '&' where it shouldn't.
clemens
> Enrique Vadillo:
> I'm switching more than 15.000 users to Qmail using maildirs,
> i'd like to know what is the best tool i can use in order to
> convert /var/mail/user mboxes into ~user/Maildir format and to
> convert ~user/Mail/folder into ~user/Maildir/.folder format too.
formail from the p
> Charles Cazabon:
> >> But why one alias, ~alias/.qmail-mail, works fine? That was where I got
> >> confused and started to ask ... ;-)
>
> > I don't know, and couldn't tell you without looking at your whole setup. But
excusee moi, je suis hercule poirot! je pens que les accounts `mail' e
> Curtis Generous:
> Is there a way to force qmail-send to relay/forward msgs to another
> machine (much slower machine but with tons of disk space) if our main
> qmail-server is unable to delivery those messages either on the first
> try, or better still after a set number of attempts?
could yo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> My question is how do I setup limit on the users maildir ?
i'd put user mail on a seperate filesystem and set quotas on that
filesystem on a per user basis using edquota(8).
clemens
> blue:
> Could it be a permissions problem with a recently added user ?? Is there a
> script that I can run to check my qmail config file rather than manually
> going
> through them 1 by 1 to check permissions and the like ??
the configuration i don't know about, but the qmail-general-setup ca
anybody running freebsd here?
clemens
> Eric Cox:
> So, if you're so inclined, could you send me a message with
> your basic setup (like CPU/Speed,RAM,OS,HDs,connection in/out),
> approx. number of users, approx. volume of mail, and a rough
> idea of how well the machine(s) are handling the volume, etc...
>
> directly to me - if
> Ken Jones:
> You might want to try changing this code to:
> sprintf(tmp_file,"tmp/%lu.%d.%s",tm,pid,hostname);
> if ((mailfile = creat(tmp_file,S_IREAD | S_IWRITE)) == -1)
> failtemp ("Can't create tempfile (#4.3.0)\n");
>
> make ; make install
> Then see if you still get the e
> Jonathan Fortin:
> Anyone knows a tool that I can incorporate with qmail so it can just remove
> any extentions
> that are reiceived with .VBS and/or .EXE and .COM?
this problem is one level higher up. qmail does not interpret nor analyze
the data it is supposed to transport. you should try
> Bolivar Diaz Galarza:
> Please help because I am even having a hard time sending e-mail to this list
> and I do not understand what is going on, as soon as I place the rcpthosts
> file in /var/qmail/control with the name of my servers
i just tried to check the conditions given and found that m
> Andreas Keiser:
> Is there anybody who already installed qmail on OPENBSD 2.7. ?
freebsd here, starting with 2.2.8 upto 4.0 never any problems.
> 1. Where can I get the source, which I can compile with OPENBSD 2.7.
>(When I compiled I had problems -> user alias not found, but I set up
> Toens Bueker:
> ./chkspawn
> Oops. Your system's FD_SET() has a hidden limit of 1024 descriptors.
does qmail really take up that many fd's at a time?
clemens
> Petr Novotny:
> As in "sendmail is superior to qmail because it doesn't eat up
> space in process table". (Overheard this just an hour ago...)
which is why qmail, consisting of many *small* programs, is vwery well
suited to unix. if you read the source, you will find a very unix-stylish
prog
> Nick Kew:
> deal with it). I don't want to have to add anything to rcpthosts
> (or morercpthosts), locals or virtualdomains for every domain.
you don't? but then people might try to use your setup to base spamming
on.
clemens
> Toens Bueker:
> more than 509 available for a busy server.
what's that jazz with magic 509? what does this number mean?
clemens
> System Administrator:
> but i have seen that when i check this queue with qmail-read i see mails
> in the queue which are 4-5 days old. can you help clear the queue, so that
> i have 0 messages in the queue.
svc -a | skill -ALRM qmail-send
qmail-send needs an alrm-signal to wake up. other t
> Andreas Keiser:
> I want to get email from my pop3-account.
> Do I need to install any other packages or can I do everything with
> OpenBsd and qmail?
for accessing a pop server a pop client (like fetchmail) is a good starting
point.
clemens
> Paul Farber:
> anyone have any docs on setting up vpopmail to deliver to local user dirs?
> Or are there any text based (pine-like) MUA's that can grab the mail via
> POP3?
mutt. how about a fetchmail | procmail pipeline?
clemens
David Benfell wrote:
> mail reception through SMTP isn't working at all. I was able to
> telnet to the server and send a message which doesn't seem to have
> appeared anywhere. Then I tried sending a message through normal
> means from my system at work. This too seems to have disappeared,
> w
> Ricardo D. Albano:
> How can I set up qmail to make automatically the home dir ?
> I'm using qmail-1.03 with ldap patches.
"make setup check" does that. pls read "INSTALL*"
clemens
> David Benfell:
> I'm just finishing a qmail installation on my new server box.
> Any attempt to telnet to port 25 yields "connection refused." I ran
> both tcp and udp scans on it with nmap; the port is not open.
if you start the tcp server with some tcp protection wrapper that isn't
configur
> TAG:
> I have a problem in that my tcp.smtp.cdb file is not being used - as
> when I try and relay through my server it seems to ignore the .cdb
> file??
i had even to disable the -x option altogether, because i could not get
this feature to work. and yes, i have the current version installed
> Markus Stumpf:
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 11:54:31PM +0200, clemensF wrote:
> > i had even to disable the -x option altogether, because i could not get
> > this feature to work. and yes, i have the current version installed,
> > checked the permissions, tried with and
> Russell Nelson:
> No, I realized that afterwards. I latched onto the concept of making
> the /etc/tinydns service directory double as the home directory, for
> no good reason other than not wanting to multiply entities
that's a very good reason and this thought prooves sound informational
ins
> Fat Toolz:
> before I installed qmail I could see the connection drawn on the
> LINUX-Machine , now I can't; I wonder
> why)
>
> I just sent several emails as described in TEST.deliver to check out
> my qmail-version, but none of them arrived. Now I found all of them
> hanging around in the
> Ben Giddings:
> (As an aside, qmail looks like a great, highly flexible program, but
> man the source needs work. Virtually no comments anywhere,
> meaningless variable and function names. Not a fun thing to search
> through when you're trying to figure something out.)
i give
> Steffan Hoeke:
> "Ok, the /var/log/qmail permissions weren't the problem
> /var/qmail/supervise and all in it needed to be owned by qmaill as well ;)"
why that?
clemens
> prashant:
> problem , user can't download their mails from home/user/Maildir
> i have checked the default file permissions it was 644 for all the
> files in /new under Maildir
> if i changes this to 777 then users are able to download the their new
> messages
> users home directory is owned by
> prashant:
> can some one tell me what file permissions are required
> for
> 1> ~Home/Maildir
> 2>Maildir
> 3> cur
> 4> new
> 5> tmp
700. the 'x' bit lets programs search a directory.
clemens
> Clifford Thurber:
> #!/bin/sh
> exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail
exec setuidgid qmaill multilog t !tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail
...would make multilog pipe safe loggs (loggs that were safely closed) through
tai64nlocal automatically, so that these lo
> Ben Beuchler:
> And is there a particular reason so many people neglect to look at their
> logs when trying to research a problem?
good question, actually. the loggs give very good and simple diagnostics,
it must have something to do with the way information is identified.
we have the time st
> amir:
> How do you plan on using SSL with POP? I know that SSL and IMAP work
> nicely together, but SSL and POP, never heard about that... maybe some
> SSL proxying techniques???
APOP is the variant with challenging secrets.
clemens
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Yes, but if you use APOP, the password goes out in the clear but is
> useless afterwards. Any client I can think of, including Eudora on my
no, apop challenges the client which has to respond with an encrypted version
of the password thus verifiable at the server. you ca
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