Checkpassword for OpenBSD

Dear fellows, #1. OpenBSD gots a port for checkpassword, its in /usr/ports/mail/checkpassword.. #2, are you sure its /bin/checkpassword and not /usr/local/bin/checkpassword? #3, OpenBSD 2.7-beta is out, try it, its great... #4, is your checkpassword executable and owned by root.wheel? so i

Using QMAIL and SENDMAIL

3 etc at the moment. So is it possable to setup qmail on the server and just use it to send emails though it from perl? And keep sendmail running for everything else? Thanks in advance, Jon

gcc on Solaris

Hi, I am trying to complie Qmail on my Solaris server. I need to try and get it to use GCC to complie the files, I know I need to edit the conf-cc file but I don't know what to add in it. Is it just the path to gcc and nothing else? Thanks, Jon

Pre-complied qmail

Hi, Does any know where I can download pre-complied binerys for Qmail for my Solaris server? Thanks, Jon

Problem with new install...

the latest version of qmail on a Solaris server. Thanks, Jon

Installed and can't use it though perl

subject\n\n"; print MAIL "$msg"; close (MAIL); The location to the qmail sendmail program is ok, but no emails are sent. Any ideas? Thanks, Jon

Using /var/spool/mail/$USER

server. I am quite to new to qmail and would like to know what I need to get mail from POP3 (using /var/spool/mail/$USER) and also how I create POP3 accounts, as the Life with qmail only tells me about using the ./Mailbox thing. Any ideas? Thanks, Jon

qmail and /var/spool/mail

Hi, Is there any guides to setting up qmail using /var/spool/mail, as all of the ones I have read just show you how to use ./Mailbox which I don't want to do. Any help? Thanks, Jon

tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already used

how I can fix it, Thanks, Jon

Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set

/. Any ideas what the problem is and how I can fix it, Thanks, Jon

Return-Path

file looks like - websiteurl.com:alias-websiteurl Any ideas? All the best, Jon

sending a newsletter

? I know I should move onto to using exmlm and it a great program, however we have wrote customised scripts for the newsletter and it working ok - just the sending of it is poor at the moment. Also its just a stright send type newsletter, not a discussion list. Thanks a lot! Jon

Re: sending a newsletter

Hi, Thanks for that - I was reading the man page for qmail-queue and not got a clue! So if you could show me how to pass the information needed to qmail-queue that would be great (the format of it etc). Thanks for your help so far! Jon > Provided you supply qmail-queue with all

Re: sending a newsletter

ow how. So if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great. Thanks for your help today Charles - your been great :-) All the best, Jon > The man page actually does have all the necessary information in it. > Create a file for the envelope information; put all fifty th

Using qmail-queue

ail, is it possable to change the To header and still use qmail-queue? Any ideas? We can't really use ezmlm as we have our very own customised software for our mailing list which we have built and added to for years. Thanks in advance, Jon

qmail-qfilter

l based). I searched the mailing list and could not find anything helpful. Has anyone got any ideas? Thanks, Jon

tcprules

e 20 IP's on my server. Is there a way of saying : "Only assign QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-qftest if the incoming email is being sent to my IP address A.B.C.D". Because out of all the 20 IP's I have, I only want to filter mail coming though the ip A.B.C.D. Best Wishes, Jon

Re: elm

We installed the following patch to elm and have things working fine. I believe I found the patch in the qmail archives. (www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/1996/12/msg02282.html) Jon Scarbrough Oakton Community College Des Plaines, IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** newmbox.c.orig Mon Dec

Re: Cyrus Imapd anyone?

mail system rather easily. Jon Vince Vielhaber wrote: > Anyone know anything about Cyrus Imapd and if it'll get along with qmail? > Sendmail uses Cyrus' own program (deliver) to store the mail in a dir that > only Cyrus can read/write. Would qmail be able to use a local delivery &

qmail - smtpd - local test -freebsd

dbits that'll help me out?   TIA, Jon

funky qmail testing

9:43:15 ns qmail: 928197795.370922 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20May 31 19:43:15 ns qmail: 928197795.372415 end msg 206346   Funny thing, all the other tests worked.  Why is it taking off the user name on the mail?  TIA,   Jon

Re: How to log the qmail-pop3d connection

Find it at: http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/ jon At 11:00 AM +1100 11/18/99, Marc-Adrian Napoli wrote: >Hi all, > >Regarding pop-3d. > >> Yea but the original post wanted to record cmd's, kinda like tcpservers -v >> option. Sure you can sniff and dump etc, but nothing

Re: Howto -Qmailadmin - for default domain and not for virtualdomain

Add the main domain as a virtual, but make sure it's not listed in virtualdomains. Then make QMAIL/mailboxes/users a symlink to a virtual domain inside QMAIL/mailboxes/domains. Jon At 11:15 AM +0800 11/18/99, john wrote: I want to know how to administer web based qmail using Qmailadmin

I'm Done!

f cake, too. And finally, Dave Sill's Life With Qmail was invaluable. It feels _good_ to be open source again. :-) Thanks! jon Single UID how-to: http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/ LDAP package: http://www.nrg4u.com ezmlm-idx patch: ftp://ftp.id.wustl.edu/pub/patches/ Life With Qmail: htt

Outlook 5 and online check

esides not ever using anything made by M$, which is my personal philosophy.) A patch? Thanks, jon

Re: Relaying based on mail size !

control/databytes jon At 8:20 PM +0330 11/22/99, Seyyed Hamid Reza Hashemi Golpayegani wrote: >Hi , > >I have installed Redhat 6.1 and Qmail 1.03 on it ! works good :) Wanna have >some relaying based on message size . For example wanna check messages if >larger that 5000 KB d

Re: Outlook 5 and online check

At 3:18 PM -0500 11/22/99, Russell Nelson wrote: >Jon Rust writes: > > M$ is trying to emulate an IMAP account with this feature called > > "online check." It basically checks the email, but just returns the > > headers. The user can then decide which emails to dow

Re: relay-ctrl 1.2 - doesn't work

It does work-- I'm using it now, but I can't see what you've missed here. Is anything showing up in the spool directory, /opt/relay-ctrl/spool? Does it exist? Are you positive you have the names of the rules files correct? Jon At 11:16 PM +0100 12/1/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot

Re: relay-ctrl 1.2 - doesn't work

nvocation that you're specifying here? If you run a cdbdump, what does it show? cdbdump +RELAYCLIENT=: +14,14:10.3.4.5->+RELAYCLIENT=: Are the test IPs in there? jon

Re: relay-ctrl 1.2 - doesn't work

ould look. Whoa. Dunno how to explain that one. Play with cdbdump and see what happens at each stage. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself will step forward and help. Jon

Redilvering mail

e messages in a Maildir. Is it really just as simple as feeding each message into qmail-inject? Thanks, jon

Re: qmail-pop3d logs

The default checkpassword proggie won't do it. See the archives for a discussion on one that does. http://www.egroups.com/group/djb-qmail/showthread.html?start=35998 Jon At 7:43 AM +0800 12/3/99, DOODS wrote: >Hi to everyone! >I have separate log files for qmail, smtpd and qmail-p

Re: starting qmail-pop3d

Depends on what's in qmail-pop3d.init... Open your init script and see what it doing for start. Try running it by hand and see what it tells you. jon At 5:49 PM -0600 12/2/99, Shawn P. Stanley wrote: >Hi, > >When I start qmail-pop3d, I get the following error: > >

Re: starting qmail-pop3d

.cdb 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mail.vcnet.com /var/qmail/bin/checkpoppasswd /var/qmail/sbin/relay-ctrl-allow /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir (That last part is all one line) Although, the fact that dnsfq can't establish your FQDN tells me something's wrong with DNS on your system. Jon

Re: starting qmail-pop3d

ars to be testing the FQDN the machine thinks it has, but it's failing (as my nslookup failed above). A) you could hard code a _valid_ FQDN into the script after qmail-popup (eg, qmail-popup host.domain.com checkpasswd ...). B) you could make it so spigot.nbs-inc.com has a valid addr

re-queue msgs

t? thanks, jon

Long delay on smtp connect

EIP autoturn-$TCPREMOTEIP- $TCPREMOTEIP AutoTURN ' 2>&1 Any ideas on where the delay is coming from? Thanks, jon

Re: Long delay on smtp connect

with -p preclude running the ident check or something? Thanks again, Jon At 3:23 PM -0500 1/3/00, Dave Sill wrote: >Jon Rust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I've got a user who is seeing a 25 second delay when connecting to >>port 25. I've thrown up a tcpdump

Re: Long delay on smtp connect

At 3:57 PM -0500 1/3/00, Dave Sill wrote: >Jon Rust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Thanks, it was the ident check. -R fixed it. Any brainstorms on why >>this suddenly cropped up? And only for this guy? He was running fine >>on Friday, came to work today and i

Re: qmail-qlint 0.55

his? I think it should be: http://qmail.org/qmail-lint-0.55 jon

Re: Eudora (was: Re: Double email delivery problem)

n of Eudora? Nah. More likely some sort of mailbox/settings file/something corruption. I have users with as old as version 1.4 working fine, and more specifically, 3.06 users working fine as well. Anything that hangs Windows has some serious problems (that would include Windows itself!). Install Eudora into a clean directory and see if it works any better there. jon

Re: Daemontools.61 initscripts?

LWQ has some very handy examples of how to use daemontools: http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html jon At 12:47 AM +0100 1/27/00, Vincent Schonau wrote: >At 03:22 PM 26/1/2000 -0800, Bill Rogers wrote: >>Installing qmail and thought it would be a breeze just >>to install

Re: ORBS not recommended

y already knew), but haven't seen any of them change it. Anyway, the plan is to eventually let users decide for themselves how much filtering they want, or if they're happy with just a header being added. If they want to chance lost mail and use ORBS, that's their choice. jon

Ok...just about to fire it up...a few questions

)?   Thanks for answering my questions...           Sincerely,         Jon Newman   Jon Newman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Systems Admin./Software EngineerThe Optimal Link Inc.

Strange error

ber: 0x800CCC79   Anyone know what is going on? Thanks.                 -Jon.

Re: Strange error

Is there any way to specify the domains a user is allowed to come from and to have qmail lookup the addresses to ensure they are telling the truth about where they are comming from? Like sendmail does it? Jon. - Original Message - From: Stephen Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: '

Nagy Balazs' DNS patch: opinions?

ut it. Problems, incompatibilities with other patches, "this patch kicks ass!", there's a better way, etc... The archives hint at "he re-invented the wheel," but I haven't found anything referring to where I can find it. Thanks, jon

Re: Effective anti spamming

ng ORBS, then it's served its purpose. But I would never use ORBS to block mail. (Not to mention the people who run ORBS have been accused of adding servers run by people who don't agree with their tactics, for no other reason but vengence. I can't verify that's true, but kinda scary nonetheless.) jon

Re: Effective anti spamming

you block based on ORBS. If that's okay with you, fine. It's not for me. jon At 11:20 PM +0100 2/29/00, Ruben van der Leij wrote: >On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 01:35:26PM -0800, Jon Rust wrote: > >> Yes, ORBS catches a ton of spam. It also labels a lot of email that >>

having problem with new qmail install and fastforward

e an idea of whats going on? Thanks... Jon -------- Jon Newman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Systems Admin./Software Engineer The Optimal Link Inc.

Re: Effective anti spamming

after-the-fact analysis, plus it allows different users to >choose how aggressively they want to filter. > I sent the relavent files to Chris. Anyone else who wants them can contact me directly. jon

Re: Unix as it should be (OT)

Heh, I have that book. I picked it up one day after struggling to get ClearCase running on HPUX 8 (or was it 9?) for about 2 weeks. Not good for the UNIX newbie. It will really unnecessarily skew your opinion against the OS. So many of the UNIX "features" they listed were out of date, even bac

DNS checks on sending address

What are the recommended ways of doing a DNS check on the sending domain before accepting mail? I see only 1 patch listed at qmail.org, and it wasn't well received (according to my search through the archives). Comments? jon

remove

remove

Re: Spam, orbs, maps

iltering language is pretty straightforward.. jon At 12:48 PM -0400 3/11/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Is there a patch or a script that can be used >to filter by per user ?

Re: qmailanalog

lines like this: @400038e3b11b21dd6d0c info msg 24695: bytes 70110 from @400038e3b11b223b82fc starting delivery 26852: msg 24695 to local Any good one liners to make this work? Thanks, jon At 2:41 PM -0500 3/30/00, Dave Sill wrote: >"S.P. Hoeke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: how do you use a deferral host in qmail?

us support resource on the list and through LWQ. Just because he didn't give the answer you wanted doesn't mean he's "absolutely useless". Take a deep breath, play some Q3A or whatever, and realize that he and John Levine have pointed you in the right direction. jon

Re: qmailanalog

At 4:24 PM -0600 3/30/00, Charles Cazabon wrote: >Jon Rust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Um, nope. I have lines like this: >> >> @400038e3b11b21dd6d0c info msg 24695: bytes 70110 from >> @400038e3b11b223b82fc starting delivery 26852: msg 246

Re: qmailanalog

At 4:54 PM -0600 3/30/00, Ronny Haryanto wrote: >On 30-Mar-2000, Jon Rust wrote: >> tai64nlocal will convert it into something like 2000-03-30 >> 07:56:09.195584500, but qmailanalog doesn't want that either. :-/ >> Looks like a job for perl. > >I use

Re: Poor documentation of anti-spam options?

here uses it. Please let me know what you find out. Thanks, jon At 4:35 PM -0500 3/30/00, Chris Hardie wrote: >Folks, > >I've been observing what seems to be a lack of clear and concise >documentation about anti-spam/security options for the novice and/or >average qmail

Re: Poor documentation of anti-spam options?

t an arms race with spammers, just common sense. You give me a false from address, I reject your mail. I guess it could be done using dot-qmail, maildrop/procmail and a little elbow grease on a per user basis. For me, that's not ideal, but would work. jon At 2:24 PM -0500 3/31/00, Dave

Re: Poor documentation of anti-spam options?

Points (Charles' too) taken. Both good arguments. Dunno know if they changed my mind, but got my thinking anyway... jon At 3:06 PM -0500 3/31/00, Dave Sill wrote: >Jon Rust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I agree with most of what you said here Dave, but I'd have

qmail-smtpd on SCO OSR5.0.5

re no "deny's" on the router or on SCO,(that I can find) What can any-one suggest ... depression is setting in. Jon Jenkins

qmail stopped responding

EMOTEIP- $TCPREMOTEIP AutoTURN ' 2>&1 Any help appreciated. Jon

Newbie needs help

e start up scripts for it? Thanks Jon Saunders SECPA/Rural-com

Re: ETRN and QMail

I use the serialmail package from DJB. There's a file in the package that describes how to set-up AUTOTURN. Works like a champ. Not quite ETRN, but from what I can tell, enough of it's functionality to make Exchange servers happy. jon At 4:56 PM -0700 5/4/00, Jose de Leon wrot

qmailqueue install prob

cket.lib` ) \ >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo -lresolv || exit 0 ) > dns.lib rm -f tryrsolv.o tryrsolv ./install install: fatal: unable to write .../bin/qmail-queue: text busy *** Error code 111 Stop. Hrmf. Anyhelp for this non-programmer-type? jon

Re: ETRN and QMail

At 5:33 PM -0700 5/4/00, Jose de Leon wrote: >Thanks Jon for the suggestion. I looked at AutoTURN. It won't work for us >as we don't want to provide a static IP to this customer. As far as I can >tell, all I really need to do is get the clients IP address when logged in

Re: qmailqueue install prob

At 2:35 AM +0200 5/5/00, Peter van Dijk wrote: >On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 05:24:59PM -0700, Jon Rust wrote: >[snip] >> >> Hrmf. Anyhelp for this non-programmer-type? > >Something was still busy injecting mail thru qmail-queue. > Ahhh... I see. Gotta wait longer

Re: ETRN and QMail

erfect. (crawling back into lurk mode) jon

RE: FW: FW: VIRUS PEOR QUE MELISSA II *** Importante***

My guess, this is a hoax as outlined on some of the major virus protection sites - The hoax states that IBM and AOL acknowledge the WOBBLER virus, it is worse than Melissa, and that it destroys Netscape. Jon Saunders SECPA -Original Message- From: Hector Tinoco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Unix_Loveletter

ndering if MS created this just so they could say "see, other platforms can have it happen too!" Conspiracy theorists will have a field day.) jon At 12:01 PM +0200 5/11/00, Dewald Strauss wrote: >http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=UNIX_LOVELETT >ER > >*nix is loved too :-)

Re: Filtering

QMAILQUEUE and qmail-qfilter should do the trick. They're both listed on the qmail.org web page. jon At 2:08 AM +0300 5/13/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >thank you for this one. However, my problem is not only the size of >the message but as well as its contents. I want to de

RE: Purpose of this list

response got me pointed in the right direction to fix the problem. I used Life With qmail as my guide, and it was great. My hat is off to this list! Jon Saunders SECPA -Original Message- From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: applying SMTP SIZE patch

FWIW, I used the patch as posted to this list (below) and had no problems applying it. jon At 12:38 AM +0200 6/2/00, Einar Bordewich wrote: >I had the same problem, so I patched it manually. Her it is with the patch >applied. >If you rename your old file to qmail-smtpd.c.orig and do a

Re: applying SMTP SIZE patch

bash-2.03$ uname -a FreeBSD host.vcnet.com 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #1: Wed Oct 20 20:43:43 PDT 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/CUSTKERN i386 bash-2.03$ patch -v Patch version 2.1 jon At 12:03 AM + 6/2/00, Jim Breton wrote: >On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 04:58:14PM -0

Queue cleaning: spam problem

ds and thousands of people. Are there scripts available that I can use to search through the queue, look for a particular subject/Received line/whatever and ax it? Thanks, jon "leaving to smack this customer..."

queue notices

also that you (the mail server) will keep trying for another 6 days. Has anyone seen a patch like this? Any thoughts on implementing the idea? Thanks, jon

Re: qmail-inject

t; | qmail-inject host:~{2} $ That'll work in bash. In csh and tcsh you'll need backslashes at the end of each line. jon

Re: Best Winbloze Mail Client?

ran a story about a study comparing Dvorak and QWERTY and found no advantage either way. The misconception comes from the statement that the keyboard was designed to slow typists down. Not quite. It was designed to prevent the hammers from getting tangled up. Doing so doesn't necessarily mean the typist will be slower. jon

qmail-pop3d logging?

x27;s my pop3d/log/run file: #!/bin/sh exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill \ /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/pop3d I take it qmail-pop3d just isn't verbose like qmail-send and qmail-smtpd? Thanks, jon

Re: qmail-pop3d logging?

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:26:29AM -0400, Dave Sill wrote: > Jon Rust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I take it qmail-pop3d just isn't verbose like qmail-send and > >qmail-smtpd? > > qmail-send is verbose, but qmail-smtpd is quiet. The logging you

ANNOUNCE: qrblcheck -- rbl checking for .qmail

ld work it's way into headers written by qmail. Regardless, I do plan on implementing some sort of trap for this. It successfully compiles on FreeBSD 4.x, but can't be sure it will on any other system. Hopefully this will be useful to someone. jon

Re: ANNOUNCE: qrblcheck -- rbl checking for .qmail

On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:48:22PM -0500, Robert J Adams wrote: > Jon, > > Does this work for you? I was trying to get it up and running, didn't work, > so I added a few debugging printf's and noticed that it looks up > > Domain: 0.0.2.151.relays.orbs.org > >

Re: ANNOUNCE: qrblcheck -- rbl checking for .qmail

Robert, I have reproduced your problem... err my problem. I'm looking into it now. jon

Re: ANNOUNCE: qrblcheck -- rbl checking for .qmail

All fixed. Please try it out now and tell me what you think. Jon

Re: ANNOUNCE: qrblcheck -- rbl checking for .qmail

e cleanest, and there's extra stuff in there that doesn't need to be). jon On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 03:25:33PM +, Tullio Andreatta wrote: > >I'm not an experienced C programmer, so feedback is welcome and > >encouraged. > > Using dynamic allocated memory to store

Re: Possible to Log usernames with qmail-pop3d?

ecker that logs. Check the qmail web site and the archives... there are a few out there. jon

rbl users beware: MSN blocked

Just got a call from an angry MSN user. http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_512791,00.html jon

Strange 550 errors to ???

I have had my qmail setup for several years and just now have started to notice that some recipients are returning: 550 relaying mail to ... is not allowed. This happens when a virtual user is relaying through my server and the servername is not the same as the recipient. For example: I send ma

RBL

Does anyone have a current list of domains to use for RBL that work with rblsmtp. I entered relays.: msci.memphis.edu dialups.mail-abuse.org relays.orbs.org dul.maps.vix.com rbl.maps.vix.com inputs.orbs.org And I still get mail that is ORBS and DUL blocked. Thanks.

Re: RBL

I think I entered the names that I got off of the anti-spam doc on qmail.org. I could have messed up also, thanks for the corrections. At 11:32 AM 11/20/00 -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote: > > msci.memphis.edu > >This should be relays.msci.memphis.edu. > >How did you enter these domains? >Why did you en

Re: qrblcheck

. http://jon.rusts.net/qrblcheck.c jon On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 10:47:10AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote: > OK, so I did > > $ gcc -O -Wall -s qrblcheck.c -lresolv -o qrblcheck > qrblcheck.c: In function `main': > qrblcheck.c:269: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment us

Re: Bye

rry to see a few pricks ruin it for the rest of us who appreciate your help. Thanks for the help you've given to the list in the past. Polite, accurate, non-flaming help I might add. Hope to see you back some day, that is if I survive the crap. jon

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

of this list who are very helpful and more clueful than yourself, because they're tired of your crap. We had a good list once upon a time. jon (who swore he would stay out of this mess)

Re: How to get Mail delivery in form cgi´s work

quoting. For > example, mutt doesn't work right with qmail. I'd have to disagree. (sending from Mutt on a sendmail-free qmail box) jon

Re: How to get Mail delivery in form cgi´s work

ason for doing that? Seems to me this is just sendmail catching a mistake, where qmail doesn't; and as long as you don't make the mistke, you'll be fine. I'd appreciate you telling me where I missed something if that's not the case. Always up for learning something new. :-) Thanks, jon

Re: How to get Mail delivery in form cgi´s work

eriods and underscores in our addresses.) jon

Re: Exception-lists to MAPS-RBL-Filtering?

base? In your tcp.smtp file used by tcpserver: # allow this IP through 10.10.10.10:allow,RBLSMTPD="" Conversely, to block someone not in the list: # hostgo.com are spamming bastards 9/24/00 209.217.19.180:allow,RBLSMTPD="-Hostgo spam is not wanted here" jon

Re: Oracle + Qmail

I would be very interested in working with you. I am using AOLserver and Oracle now for all my environments. This pretty much prevents me from using any existing PHP apps ( I don't like PHP in any case). What are your thoughts? At 01:58 PM 1/2/2001 -0500, Jonathan D. Poole wrote: >Has anyone se

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