interaction
between their DNS server and ours].
Any ideas?
Sendmail-8.9.1a and Qmail-1.03 under RedHat-5.x/Linux-2.0.36.
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always right).
Really speaking, qmail doesn't support ESMTP at all - claiming 8BITMIME
support just because you're 8bit clean doesn't really make it an ESMTP
MTA... I still think SIZE and DSN are needed.
BTW: Postfix doesn't really do ESMTP at all too - probably means there's
x27;s done by the SMTP
client itself.
All this talk about "Disposition-Notification-To:" is interesting - it looks
like an extension of "Return-Receipt-To:" - i.e. the delivery receipt
solution in pre-DSN days! [So it wasn't so bad after all! ;-)]
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unibo.it/~borgia/ for pop3gw - does just what you
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found out quicker...
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im-2.12 still only has "initial" DSN support) or do what I'm planning to
do: use sendmail for outgoing Email and Qmail for incoming...
Real sad :-( The only reason I need sendmail is because of DSN...
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ce. Unfortunately my
company uses Outlook/Exchange - so DSN is needed so pratty delivery-receipts
work...
The worse thing is DSN is so convoluted that it's impossible to write
some wrapper around it to do the job.
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. I mentioned it to Dan and he
didn't think it was a problem. As it doesn't actually drop you from the list
after a warning-bounce, it's probably not a bug - but a feature ;-)
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x27;m afraid - not a fact...
I think of Email the other way: The message _did_ get there unless I hear
otherwise (via DSN/bounces). After all, it's the 90's - not the 70's
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8.2. How do I keep a copy of all incoming and outgoing mail messages?
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l include the README below for details.
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+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
This is the README for scan4virus v0.1
-
On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 05:04:41PM +1300, Jason Haar wrote:
> As I don't have anywhere to put this up - I'll post the package to the list
> (it's only 15K). If anyone else is interested in cleaning up my code -
> please do - but please be gentle :-)
Sigh - munted
I use NAI's
and Trends virus scanners).
It's fast, perl-based and specifically written for qmail.
See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/ for details...
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en everyone
within a particular mailing list runs Email scanners and a virus is
detected. At 10,000-strong list could suddenly find itself innudated with
10,000's of "Virus Report" mail messages. Denial Of Systems await...
Out of Office messages are bad enough...
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elope sender - and it does remove
mailing-list/postmaster addresses first...
As you said, the primary objective of a sites virus scanner is to stop
viruses entering or leaving the site - not to baby-sit other site's users...
- cold, but true ;-)
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dule=Time::HiRes
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Am I wrong?
> Do you have another address?
Sheezh - my fault - but Geocities is running the flakiest FTP server I've
seen in a looong time.
All fixed - the appropriate index.html file is now in place :-)
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in this
market doesn't think SQL is appropriate for Email - draw what you will from
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ctually you're dead right - I guess what M$ is saying is that even they
can't use M$-SQL as their backend server - others like Oracle may be fine ;-)
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em by altering our
internal DNS to be unable to resolve our Qmail servers IP address - thus
making it "foreign" - but this problem should of been dealt with by Qmail
IMHO...]
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eans virus.
* Initial support for metamail
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, users
>
> A lot of people say this and I don't see a particular reason why it
> should be the case. Both POP and SMTP do little more than read a file
1.2M is not big.
Our site regularly sends >100Mb Email messages through MS
Exchange/Sendmail/Qmail - "my *&^% is big
s McAfee's, Trend's and
Sophos. It will scan all Email arriving via SMTP for viruses and will
quarantine those containing viruses. Use on Internet gateways to protect the
Internet from your users ;-)
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 11:03:23AM +0100, Erwin van Kroonenburg wrote:
> I was wondering if there is an anti-virus update or package for qmail to
> check incoming mail for virusses.
See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/ - qmail-specific virus scanner.
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ard" with Qmail
without resorting to something lame like:
"|forward `echo $LOCAL|sed 's/^alias-xx//g'`@yy"
in .qmail-default.
Is there some other way of doing it? Fastforward looked promising, but again
it is for explicit alias-to-alias matches - not wildcard users.
On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 06:46:59AM +0100, Magnus Bodin wrote:
> | forward "${DEFAULT}@yy"
>
Absolutely what I was after :-)
Bit of a ba%*tard to find that one in the man pages...
Yippee - can finish the job now... :-)
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oute rule. End result, relaying does occur...
Why does Qmail treat xxx@sss@ttt addresses differently than it treats
xxx@sss addresses when it comes to relaying checks?
Anyone know how this is meant to be worked around?
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ay.
Check out my virus scanner wrapper scan4virus - it calls qmail-queue
directly from perl.
http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/
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ing with the kernel, good hardware and UPSes are of course mandatory
requirements to the above statement.]
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sage after scanning - so it remains as a normal message.
i.e.
QMAIL
SMTP --> qmail-queue --> decision on local or remote delivery --> etc
QMAIL+SCAN4VIRUS
SMTP --> scan4virus (checks for virus) --> if clean --> qmail-queue ...
--> if virus qu
o Unix versions of their virus scanners.
They all have difficulty dealing with Unix sites... Thankfully(!!) we are
primarily a M$ site and have enterprise licenses for most of this stuff -
which means I've never had to worry about tracking down prices/etc :-)
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/full/path/maildir"
...AND it doesn't delete the original like some of these others do! (owch!)
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mbox2maildir.pl
ICQ#19153754|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gang Warily|http://signals.rmc.ca/
> Kingston Linux Users Group|http://signals.rmc.ca/klug/
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d what's happening here...
I've attached the perl subroutine showing this behaviour (line: "Unable to
queue message").
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Anyway, this is CC'ed to the appropriate group, I'd suggest replies go
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ch
Thanks
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name while
waiting for the Antivirus vendors to come up with an "official" fix :-)]
See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/
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or, it didn't
support Qmail, and it was a shell script instead of a more "secure" language like
perl (well, "perl -T").
Maybe some of these reasons no longer apply, but I doubt it operates as efficiently
as scan4virus does (i.e. at the qmail-queue level) - that would be difficult to do
and retain conpatibility with postfix and sendmail...
Anyway, variety is the spice of life...
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See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/ - qmail-queue
replacement that can run a variety or commercial virus scanners (as well as
it's inbuilt one) over all Email that has to go through qmail-queue (i.e.
everything).
Been there - done that.
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Can this be moved to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? (subscribers only
of course)
I'm sure the general Qmail population isn't that interested in this...
Jason Haar, author of scan4virus.
[to subscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
[see http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus]
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).
Of course, what do you do with viruses like ILOVEYOU? There is no message to
"clean" as such...
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eader
matching as well as attachment scanning. You'll be able to match "Subject:
ILOVEYOU" hours before you find out about the attachments involved.
I'm finishing testing of it this week - should be out next week.
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127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",TCPLOCALHOST="movie.edu"
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s already existing.
See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/ - a anti-virus scanner
harness for Qmail. It supports several commercial virus scanners, and also
has an in-built attachment scanner that can be used to stop all mail with
VBS attachments for example...
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x27;t break anything!
[Scan4Virus: GPL Qmail-based anti-virus harness. Supports most major
antivirus vendors and contains internal scanner implementation too.]
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ments file
> >names, and accessory, the size of the attached file.
> >Please help me, I don't know how to do that.
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, I
> was wondering if anyone knows how I can at protect my users from attack
> using some kind of filtering with qmail?
A bit overkill if that's all you want to do, but Qmail-Scanner can do all
that and also can tie in commercial virus scanners as well.
http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net
ying of Email
is required. I've found it very useful for debugging certain "issues" we've
had with Exchange servers... :-)
http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/
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Qmail is - it
can't beat Qmail on throughput - but for site receiving less than (say) a
million messages a day - it won't matter ;-)
BTW, Courier does SMTP, IMAP, Webmail with native support for LDAP/PAM/MySQL
auth backends... Pretty bloody comprehensive...
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ll you
Er - yes it is... Return-receipts in Netscape refer to Deliver-receipts and
Read-receipts (what I think you were refering to). Netscape and other MUAs
expect MTAs to support DSN for delivery-receipts - something Qmail does not
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irus scanning
and attachment blocking.
See http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/ for details.
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m or you are just calling it incorrectly.
Is there anyone out there with an altered distribution of qmail-1.03 that
contains the QMAILQUEUE patch? Pointing people to such a beast would
certainly allow some less experienced people to get going...
http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/
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"cannot use uudecode component" is what
happened. You have ended up with a Qmail-Scanner that just doesn't
internally support uuencoded files. If the commercial scanner you are using
in conjunction with Qmail-Scanner supports uuencode, then you have no
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may be more for you..
http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/
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s (esp. commercial) bore us silly with their alerts...
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ner will
allow you to set what recipients are scanned - once I figure out the most
efficient way to do that :-)
Qmail-Scanner: http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/
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nd
those weird message.dat attachments.
Even M$ products don't talk to each other...
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at way your users can
relay mail independently of the order (i.e. they can even relay Email
without checking via POP/IMAP first).
Naturally, the Courier SMTP server natively supports AUTH (and STARTTLS for
that matter)
AUTH kicks ass ;-)
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ome of the slower Unices...
...or simpler yet - stop using them... :-)
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he
Qmail-Scanner mailing-list and be having this discussion there :-)
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/qmail-scanner-general
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er like NAI, Sophos, etc.
Absolutely correct :-)
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/configure etc" to rebuild the app with
support for Trend.
Simply read the first few lines of your existing
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl. It contains the "./configure..." call
you did to build it in the first place. Just run it again :-)
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eue on a VERY slow (but otherwise reliable) disk, that you
would see this problem too. I hope I'm just been stupid and missed
something obvious...
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- size. But non-zero is ok as SMTP is idempotent.
Yup - SMTP has always erred on the "duplicate-is-better-than-miss" side -
fair enough too...
Thanks for the ideas
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w in an attempt to make a silk purse from a sow's ear; for those
interested in a Email AV solution that won't spam mailing-lists with such
messages, take a look at http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/ ;-)
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ram arg1 arg2...'", and I
find it doesn't work as expected. So I end up writing one-line shell scripts
and call that instead :-)
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t's just an environment variable issue.
What does IMP call? As far as I remember - it calls /usr/sbin/sendmail. That
is a link to the Qmail version I assume? Try calling it from a shell with
QMAILQUEUE set accordingly - does Q-S get invoked? If not, strace/truss it
as root and see what happens...
ersions of your
IMAP/POP server - does it really just affect Netscape (i.e. does M$ Outlook
work?), etc. If it is a Netscape/POP/IMAP bug - with the latest release -
please report it - they can't be expected to fix problems they don't know
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e. Big AV
mail servers need lots of RAM, lots of CPU as well as fast disks.
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before it is
> delivered.
See http://www.geocities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/ for one implementation of
server-based virus scanning for Qmail.
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"/var/qmail/antivirus-qmail-queue.pl -g" to test that perl scripts can run
setuid to another usercode on your system? If not that's your problem (and I
bet it is).
Read the documentation about what to do in that case - it may help...
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.. Writes would be a different prospect of course...
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a single Mailman site houses of course) via a
GUI interface - no more back-and-forth with mail messages trying to do the
same thing.
I'd say RedHat now has a non-trivial large subscriber base of people not
"used to" (read that how you will) to using a MUA as a management tool.
They want
ities.com/jhaar/scan4virus/
A Qmail-specific Email scanner that supports many Unix versions of
commercial AV scanners (e.g. Trend, MacAfeee/NAI).
Works great - but then I'd say that ;-)
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lmx does -
but with deliberate support for commercial virus scanners.
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o an archive directory. Useful when
debugging Email-based apps, for backup purposes and for audit policy
reasons.
See http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/
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;s really a good idea to have the X-QmailScan
> header? what's to stop some other software from placing it in the
> headers? [ there was a discussion of this sort of thing a bit back on
> the vuln-dev mailing list if you are interested ]
So what if they do? It's not used for anyth
sendmail with CURRENT
(that's 1.0.3) Qmail. Qmail has a single queue directory, sendmail-8.11
ALLOWS you to have multiple.
I'm afraid sendmail is catching up... :-)
People for years have hacked sendmail to do multiple queues for large sites
- just like Qmail has been hacked... But Sendm
tches you've already put on it.
People who do this alot obviously have to know enough about what they're
doing that they can work around such failures - usually you just eyeball it
and work it out.
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neral, patches will "live happily together" if each of them is small
and only alters parts of the same file that aren't related.
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problems...
I'm currently about to go live with new ReiserFS based Qmail servers, and
haven't noticed any problem. If there is, I'd certainly like to know... :-)
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m that
generates a bounce itself - instead of relying on qmail-smtpd to do it.
See Qmail-Scanner http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/> for an
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ables called by Qmail-Scanner
isn't what it appeared to be. As it only occurs when a virus is found, I'd
guess it's either one of your virus scanners, or a bunged-up qmail-inject
program.
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of
allowing SMTP connection sharing like Sendmail/Courier/Exchange/etc allow.
That's fine, there are advantages of this approach which Qmail greatly
exploits.
Reality is that some things are better at some things than others. Wow -
there's a shocker :-)
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IMAP server falls into this category. It keeps a "meta file"
of header data for IMAP header calls...
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p over. It's truly a "fair weather friend" - really good when it's going
- but if it dies - you wish you could just pick up and leave for another
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[Boy, I must be full of shi... - erm - beans - this morning!]
[donning flame-proof underpants]
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ptable to users.
I've always got some mail queued up trying to get through to sites affected
by Qmail's ruling on how to handle MX sites that drop after a connect.
Screwing around with /var/qmail/control/smtproutes all the time is not my
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e cleanest way to me.
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l-queue replacement is what you're looking for. I haven't seen anyone
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On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 03:57:14PM -0400, Charles Leeds wrote:
> Is there any way to record all messages (and headers) of incoming and
> outgoing messages that are relayed by qmail?
FAQ 8.2
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ase it under GPL first...]
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Sending an attachment as you do requires something more sophisticated than
mailsubj. I'd use mutt - darn near the best mailer money can't buy!!!
http://www.mutt.org/
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On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 10:47:54AM +1300, Jason Haar wrote:
> I'm currently playing around with writing a qmail-based virus scanner that
> replaces qmail-queue - that'll lead to the best performance possible without
> dicking with qmail's code I think...
Hmmm - I've
ith...
The reality is that I want some perfect mailer that can allow me to use
features of sendmail and qmail. And of course it's so complicated that I
screw it up at every turn. Oh yeah - that's right - I already use that -
it's called MS Exchange! ;-)
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Jason Haar
Unix/Network Specialist, Trimble NZ
Phone: +64 3 3391 377 Fax: +64 3 3391 417
yes, I know - others
have quota limits/etc. But disk is cheap - quotas never work. Users just
save everything over their quota into some other area - where it probably
isn't backed up/etc].
Anyway, all this is business decisions individual sites make. Nothing of use
for us to talk about here..
even IDE harddisks should be having problems with.
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Cheers
Jason Haar
Unix/Network Specialist, Trimble NZ
Phone: +64 3 3391 377 Fax: +64 3 3391 417
dea - it's still there and people like
getting receipts to important messages :-(
I have to tell people when sending messages to "CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
- if the get a bounce, then their message was delivered to the site
correctly ;-)
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Cheers
Jason Haar
Unix/Network Specialist,
ks and we should be using something else
- as we all know - technical capability of solutions means little to modern
business these days - packaging and little sounds when you push buttons are
much more important.
[Hmmm, must be going to be a good day for me - better stay away from sharp
objects ;-)]
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ngs by the "DJB-book" - so don't want any patches ;-)]
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Cheers
Jason Haar
Unix/Network Specialist, Trimble NZ
Phone: +64 3 3391 377 Fax: +64 3 3391 417
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