Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-24 Thread Paul Brook
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process > right now. Does anyone know what happens license-wise if we create a model > of proprietary ha

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Luke -Jr wrote: > On Friday 22 June 2007 12:37, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > If at the same time you make something original, which is not derived from > > the GPLed program, then you are as free as a bird to sh*t on the GPL with > > regards to your original work. You c

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 12:37, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > If at the same time you make something original, which is not derived from > the GPLed program, then you are as free as a bird to sh*t on the GPL with > regards to your original work. You can choose whatever license, if any. Not if you wan

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Ronnie Misra
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Luke -Jr wrote: On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > > > The G

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Luke -Jr wrote: > On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > If what you did somehow wasn't a derivative work, then the there's no > > legal basis for forcing compliance with a license. > > Unless you modify or distribute the work. These acts are illegal

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
[[ This is my last post on this topic, as we're starting to get quite far afield from QEMU and I'm starting to repeat myself. "Luke -Jr" wants the last word, he can have it ]] In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M.

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: > : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copy

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > > > order to be applicable, the work in question must somehow rely on the > > > GPL'd work. The "somehow" here is an in

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in : > > > order to be applicable, the

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Warner Losh
From: Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:18:01 -0500 > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > > o

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 00:34, Balazs Attila-Mihaly (Cd-MaN) wrote: > I must prefix this with the fact that IANAL, but as I understand it, you > must release the source code only if you distribute that modified system > (with GPL v2). That is, if you use this system internally in you company, > you

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > order to be applicable, the work in question must somehow rely on the GPL'd > work. The "somehow" here is an interesting legal question that hasn't been > well settled.

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread Balazs Attila-Mihaly \(Cd-MaN\)
I must prefix this with the fact that IANAL, but as I understand it, you must release the source code only if you distribute that modified system (with GPL v2). That is, if you use this system internally in you company, you don't have to provide your modifications. But if you, for example, provi

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:28, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: : > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system : > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process : >

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread Luke -Jr
On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:28, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process > right now. Does anyone know what happens license-wise if we create a model > of propriet