> > > > > > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without
> > > > > > reference to any particular previous mail in the thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) How many of the free pages do we tell the host about?
> > > > > > Your main change is telling the host about all the
> > > > > >
* Li, Liang Z (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 05:03:34PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > * Li, Liang Z (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference
> > > > > to any particular pr
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 05:03:34PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Li, Liang Z (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference
> > > > to any particular previous mail in the thread.
> > > >
> > > > 1) How many
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 05:03:34PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Li, Liang Z (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference to any
> > > particular previous mail in the thread.
> > >
> > > 1) How many of the free p
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference to
> > > any particular previous mail in the thread.
> > >
> > > 1) How many of the free pages do we tell the host about?
> > > Your main change is telling the host about all the
> > > free pages.
> >
> > Y
* Li, Liang Z (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference to any
> > particular previous mail in the thread.
> >
> > 1) How many of the free pages do we tell the host about?
> > Your main change is telling the host about al
>
> Hi,
> I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference to any
> particular previous mail in the thread.
>
> 1) How many of the free pages do we tell the host about?
> Your main change is telling the host about all the
> free pages.
Yes, all the guest's free pages.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 01:41:16AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, we really can teach qemu to skip these pages and it's not hard.
> > > > > > The problem is the poor performance, this PV solution
> > > > >
> > > > > Balloon is always PV. And do not call patches solutions please.
> > > >
Hi,
I'm just catching back up on this thread; so without reference to any
particular previous mail in the thread.
1) How many of the free pages do we tell the host about?
Your main change is telling the host about all the
free pages.
If we tell the host about all the free pages,
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 07:39:18PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 08:04:39PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:41:39PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > > > For (1) I've been try
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 02:38:52PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-03-09 at 20:04 +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:41:39PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > > > For (1) I've been trying to make a
> > Could provide more information on how to use virtio-serial to exchange
> data? Thread , Wiki or code are all OK.
> > I have not find some useful information yet.
>
> See this commit in the Linux sources:
>
> 108fc82596e3b66b819df9d28c1ebbc9ab5de14c
>
> that adds a way to send guest trace
On (Thu) 10 Mar 2016 [07:44:19], Li, Liang Z wrote:
>
> Hi Amit,
>
> Could provide more information on how to use virtio-serial to exchange data?
> Thread , Wiki or code are all OK.
> I have not find some useful information yet.
See this commit in the Linux sources:
108fc82596e3b66b819df9d
> > This patch set is the QEMU side implementation.
> >
> > The virtio-balloon is extended so that QEMU can get the free pages
> > information from the guest through virtio.
> >
> > After getting the free pages information (a bitmap), QEMU can use it
> > to filter out the guest's free pages in the
> > > > > Yes, we really can teach qemu to skip these pages and it's not hard.
> > > > > The problem is the poor performance, this PV solution
> > > >
> > > > Balloon is always PV. And do not call patches solutions please.
> > > >
> > > > > is aimed to make it more
> > > > > efficient and reduce th
On Wed, 2016-03-09 at 20:04 +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:41:39PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > > For (1) I've been trying to make a point that skipping clean
> > > pages is
> > > much more likely to re
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 08:04:39PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:41:39PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > > For (1) I've been trying to make a point that skipping clean pages is
> > > much more likely to r
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:41:39PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> > For (1) I've been trying to make a point that skipping clean pages is
> > much more likely to result in noticable benefit than free pages only.
>
> I guess when yo
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 05:28:54PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 01:40:06PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > > > > processed during li
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 03:27:54PM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 01:40:06PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > > > > > processed d
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 01:40:06PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > > > > processed during live migration without skipping. The live
> > > > > migration c
On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 01:40:06PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > > > processed during live migration without skipping. The live migration
> > > > code is
>
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 06:51:21PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Paolo Bonzini (pbonz...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing
> > > >> > caches, etc, so you'll be l
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 06:51:21PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Paolo Bonzini (pbonz...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches, etc,
> > >> > so
> > >> > you'll be left
> On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches,
> >> > etc, so you'll be left with very little free memory fairly soon.
> >> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
>
> Roman is right. For example, here I am looking at a 64 GB (physica
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 03:13:03PM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > Maybe I am not clear enough.
> > > >
> > > > I mean if we inflate balloon before live migration, for a 8GB
> > > > guest, it takes
> > > about 5 Seconds for the inflating operation to finish.
> > >
> > > And these 5 seconds are
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 03:13:03PM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > Maybe I am not clear enough.
> > >
> > > I mean if we inflate balloon before live migration, for a 8GB guest, it
> > > takes
> > about 5 Seconds for the inflating operation to finish.
> >
> > And these 5 seconds are spent where?
>
> Subject: Re: [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration optimization
>
> On (Thu) 03 Mar 2016 [18:44:24], Liang Li wrote:
> > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > will be processed and tha
On (Thu) 03 Mar 2016 [18:44:24], Liang Li wrote:
> The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
>
> From guest's point of view, it doesn't care abou
On (Fri) 04 Mar 2016 [15:02:47], Jitendra Kolhe wrote:
> > >
> > > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > > > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > > > will be processed and that takes qu
...@lists.linux-foundation.org; r...@twiddle.net; r...@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration
> optimization
>
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned m
On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 06:49:19AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > > processed during live migration without skipping. The live migration code
> > > is
> > in migration/ram.c.
> >
> > So if guest acknowledged VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUS
> > No. And it's exactly what I mean. The ballooned memory is still
> > processed during live migration without skipping. The live migration code is
> in migration/ram.c.
>
> So if guest acknowledged VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST, we can
> teach qemu to skip these pages.
> Want to write a patch
> > On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches,
> > >> > etc, so you'll be left with very little free memory fairly soon.
> > >> >
> > > I don't think so.
> > >
> >
> > Roman is right. For example, here I am looking at
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 03:49:37PM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > > > Only detect the unmapped/zero mapped pages is not enough.
> > > > Consider
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > situation like case 2, it can't achieve the same result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your case 2 doesn't exist in the real
* Paolo Bonzini (pbonz...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>
> On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches, etc, so
> >> > you'll be left with very little free memory fairly soon.
> >> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
>
> Roman is righ
On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
>> >
>> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches, etc, so
>> > you'll be left with very little free memory fairly soon.
>> >
> I don't think so.
>
Roman is right. For example, here I am looking at a 64 GB (physical)
machine wh
> > > > > > Only detect the unmapped/zero mapped pages is not enough.
> > > Consider
> > > > > the
> > > > > > situation like case 2, it can't achieve the same result.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your case 2 doesn't exist in the real world. If people could
> > > > > stop their main memory consumer in the
> > Maybe I am not clear enough.
> >
> > I mean if we inflate balloon before live migration, for a 8GB guest, it
> > takes
> about 5 Seconds for the inflating operation to finish.
>
> And these 5 seconds are spent where?
>
The time is spent on allocating the pages and send the allocated pages p
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 02:26:49PM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration
> > optimization
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:08:44AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at
> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration
> optimization
>
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:08:44AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:52:53AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > > I wonder if it would be
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 10:11:00AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:12:12AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > Although I wonder which is cheaper; that would be fairly expensive
> > > > for the guest wouldn't it? And you'd somehow have to kick the guest
> > > > before migrati
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:08:44AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:52:53AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > I wonder if it would be possible to avoid the kernel changes by
> > > > parsing /proc/self/pagemap - if that can be used to detect
> > > > unmapped/zero mapped pag
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:12:12AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > Although I wonder which is cheaper; that would be fairly expensive
> > > for the guest wouldn't it? And you'd somehow have to kick the guest
> > > before migration to do the ballooning - and how long would you wait for
> it to fin
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:12:12AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > Although I wonder which is cheaper; that would be fairly expensive for the
> > guest wouldn't it? And you'd somehow have to kick the guest before
> > migration to do the ballooning - and how long would you wait for it to
> > finish?
> > > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > > > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these
> > > > pages will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
> > > >
> > > > From guest's point of
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:08:20AM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Roman Kagan (rka...@virtuozzo.com) wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 08:23:09AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > The unmapped/zero mapped pages can be detected by parsing
> > > /proc/self/pagemap,
> > > but the free pages
> >
> > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > > will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
> > >
> > > From guest's point of view, i
> * Roman Kagan (rka...@virtuozzo.com) wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 08:23:09AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > > > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > > > The current QEMU live migration implementatio
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:52:53AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > I wonder if it would be possible to avoid the kernel changes by
> > > parsing /proc/self/pagemap - if that can be used to detect
> > > unmapped/zero mapped pages in the guest ram, would it achieve the
> same result?
> >
> > Only
* Roman Kagan (rka...@virtuozzo.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 08:23:09AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 08:23:09AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > > > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > > will be processed and that tak
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:52:53AM +, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > I wonder if it would be possible to avoid the kernel changes by parsing
> > /proc/self/pagemap - if that can be used to detect unmapped/zero mapped
> > pages in the guest ram, would it achieve the same result?
>
> Only detect the u
On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > will be processed and that takes quit a
> Subject: Re: [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration optimization
>
> * Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > will be processed and that takes
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 06:44:24PM +0800, Liang Li wrote:
> > The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> > guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> > will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
> >
> > From guest's point of view,
* Liang Li (liang.z...@intel.com) wrote:
> The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
>
> From guest's point of view, it doesn't care about the co
On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 06:44:24PM +0800, Liang Li wrote:
> The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
> guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
> will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
>
> From guest's point of view, it doesn't
The current QEMU live migration implementation mark the all the
guest's RAM pages as dirtied in the ram bulk stage, all these pages
will be processed and that takes quit a lot of CPU cycles.
>From guest's point of view, it doesn't care about the content in free
pages. We can make use of this fact
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