Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

:) E Hartley ed.hart...@gmail.com On 15 Jul 2013, at 15:09, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > Whereas my buffoon status is very much still active. > > > On 15/07/13 14:41, E Hartley wrote: >> Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team leaders >> takes it so far out of the r

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Whereas my buffoon status is very much still active. On 15/07/13 14:41, E Hartley wrote: Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team leaders takes it so far out of the realm of real life as to be almost like coding Nirvana. E On 15 Jul 2013, at 12:59, Jonathan Hartley <

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Speaking as a recovering PM excluding blustering buffoons as team leaders takes it so far out of the realm of real life as to be almost like coding Nirvana. E On 15 Jul 2013, at 12:59, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > blustering buffoons ___ python-uk maili

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I suggest re-naming From: "London Python Dojo" To: "London Python Party" Please note that "The Public" are consistently [1] Googling for "Python Party" more than "Python Dojo". And Party is totally less martial-artsy. [1] http://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=python+dojo#q=python%20dojo%

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I guess that makes sense: With the dojo we want to encourage participation, whereas with the game challenges I was thinking of, they are optimised to producing finished, working projects (where a proven track record is a good positive indicator.) Jonathan On 15/07/13 13:33, Stestagg wrot

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I wonder, with the dojo happening every month, and most people turning up most times, if this might turn into a bit of a popularity contest. If a leader won last time, then people will be more likely to go for the 'safe option' and join that person next time. I do like the current method of havin

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to be a game? It's more inventing the problem as you go? Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements are introduced at half time... and then 5 minutes before the end... like real life. On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Hartley"

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I don't think this helps, but it's a model I think is otherwise widely applicable, so I'll spread the seed: One model I've seen work well on game programming challenges is that self-selected leaders will each pitch their project vision, and then participants will decide which leader's team the

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I propose to meet in person somewhere, before next Dojo, and gather the ideas proposed in this thread, to understand together how we can improve the dojo. What do you think about? On 14 July 2013 16:58, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Just

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Just catching up with this thread... Regarding mismatch of skills. In teacher parlance this is called differentiation - setting things up (in a classroom or event like the dojo) so participants of different levels can all still have a positive le

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

On 14/07/2013 11:48, andrea crotti wrote: In my opinion in general the way we work at the dojo is not exactly what a coding dojo is supposed to be.. As organisers, we're aware that this is the case. We started off more or less attempting to follow the classical Dojo pattern but very quickly b

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi, On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote: > 2013/7/14 Carles Pina i Estany > > > > > Hi, > > > > On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote: > > > > > The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone > > > is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*, > > > becau

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2013/7/14 Carles Pina i Estany > > Hi, > > On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote: > > > The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone > > is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*, > > because that's the only way to get something done. > > sometimes has

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi, On Jul/14/2013, andrea crotti wrote: > The fact that we are working on complex problems means that everyone > is rushing and only using techniques that *he/she already knows*, > because that's the only way to get something done. sometimes has been too complex. But sometimes I just downgrade

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013/7/12 a.gra...@gmail.com > Thank you for the nice evening guys :) > > It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new. > > I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a > newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in > groups/projects w

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Correct. The third joke in this thread. Sorry, that confounded English sense of humor... excuse me ;) My english is far from perfect. I moved here just 3 months ago :) Not at all, exactly as presumed. Tip of the hat to you. Mastering a second-language is an enormous challenge, but getting o

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi, On 13 July 2013 23:01, DL Neil wrote: >> ehm... I did think it was a joke, but... just in case... the name of >> the event is LONDON PYTHON Dojo :) > > > Correct. The third joke in this thread. > > Sorry, that confounded English sense of humor... excuse me ;) My english is far from perfect.

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi Andrea, On 13 July 2013 04:18, DL Neil wrote: As for this Python predilection: what other choice is there? Sympathise with the always-in-London thing though. Now that am over one hour north of Auckland it's a 30-something hour trip just to make it to a meeting which wouldn't be so bad exce

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi, On 13 July 2013 04:18, DL Neil wrote: > As for this Python predilection: what other choice is there? > > Sympathise with the always-in-London thing though. Now that am over one hour > north of Auckland it's a 30-something hour trip just to make it to a meeting > which wouldn't be so bad excep

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something. ... Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but -- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're far more inter

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it would take a bit more organisation though. On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead wrote: > Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of > organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are stopp

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

>> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this? > > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but > you can't please all the

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: > If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I > will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something. > I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow > speed in coding could affect also the whole

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Now you got it correctly :) Let's wait also for opposite opinions. We need to understand if there are opposite opinions and what are their resons, so we can maybe find a common agreement. Regards :) p.s: no other Dojos until September? No, please let's catchup for a beer sometimes at least :

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone. [a.gra...@gmail.com] Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might stay away. [stest...@gmail.com] Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

On 12 July 2013 12:31, Michael Grazebrook wrote: > Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams > have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the keyboard > and try to ensure everyone is included. +1 for this :) It would be very kind from expert coder

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Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the keyboard and try to ensure everyone is included. On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: While I'm d

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On 12/07/2013 12:10, David Miller wrote: > On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden > wrote: > > All that said, I'm up for trying anything. > > > The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming > language at the LPD has long been a problem... Not to

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

The only obvious thing I can think of here would be to have a speed-dating style bell/noise that rings periodically, prompting people to swap over on the keyboard. I think this could be quite fun, maybe slightly annoying(?) but worth it, IMO. Teams who decide to use multiple laptops should still

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Hi, On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: > While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not > that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try). > It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a > team which wholeheartedly embrac

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: > All that said, I'm up for trying anything. > The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming language at the LPD has long been a problem... -- Love regards etc David Miller http://www.deadpansincerity.com 07854 880 883

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

On 12/07/2013 11:24, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: > Thank you for the nice evening guys :) > > It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new. > > I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a > newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in >

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Thank you for the nice evening guys :) It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new. I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, bas

[python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

Greeting from Florence and the EuroPython conference, As the sprint pizza boxes get cleared away, it reminds me, there's a London dojo to announce for this Thursday! Pizza and social coding for the win. Everyone welcome. We've got our O'Reilly give-away book ready, it's Think Complexity includin