Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-12 Thread Richard Barran
On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: >> We are looking for people who are smart, get >> things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is ver

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Duncan Booth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Andy Robinson wrote: > Russel, I actually had a read of the Equality and Diversity Act 2010. > > It defines seven "protected characteristics": age, disability, gender > reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, > marriage and civil partnersh

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
Russel, I actually had a read of the Equality and Diversity Act 2010. It defines seven "protected characteristics": age, disability, gender reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, marriage and civil partnership and pregnancy and maternity. I cannot find anything in it to

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread John Lee
I won't argue with your logic, but if a group of people use "energetic" to mean "young", then that's what it means to them (in some context). I think "energetic" has been a known as a standard job-ad euphemism for some time. Whether it has actually been used widely in that way, I don't know -

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 11:38 +, Andy Robinson wrote: […] > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. > She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because > explicitly asking for SMART pe

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
As the original poster, this has prompted me to check and I was quite surprised to see that average salaries have risen by 13% in the last year alone. However, to be clear 1. The salaries in these surveys are presumably averaged across all stages of peoples' 40 year careers 2. We are a fairly smal

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Stestagg
east/python.do > > From: Duncan Booth > Reply-To: UK Python Users > Date: Tuesday, 11 December 2012 13:27 > To: UK Python Users > Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM, wrote: > >> On T

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread James Tarin
: UK Python Users mailto:python-uk@python.org>> Subject: Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM, mailto:chris.d...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Richard Barran wrote: PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Ravi Kotecha
£52k doesn't seem unrealistic but I think it's distorted by the banks & hedge funds. Wouldn't expect to see a start-up paying that sort of salary unless it's a betting exchange. That being said, £25-30k does sound very low for what they're looking for (full stack Python programmer) On Tue, Dec 1

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Jon Ribbens
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:38:42AM +, Andy Robinson wrote: > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. > She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because > explicitly asking for SMART

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Duncan Booth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM, wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Richard Barran wrote: > > PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer >>population from applying for your job. >> > > Is it fair to say that I hope the salary being offered already does > that? Seems really

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread chris . dent
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Richard Barran wrote: PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer population from applying for your job. Is it fair to say that I hope the salary being offered already does that? Seems really low for near-London. Actually I have no idea. Is there

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Richard Barran
On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: >> We are looking for people who are smart, get >> things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Nigel Small
Agreed: my father is 63 and far more energetic than me. However, he'd make a terrible programmer. On 11 December 2012 12:08, Rod Hyde wrote: > Surely it is ageism to imply that energetic implies ageism? In other > words, if a person thinks that energetic implies ageism, then that person > has a

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Rod Hyde
Surely it is ageism to imply that energetic implies ageism? In other words, if a person thinks that energetic implies ageism, then that person has a preconceived idea of a relationship between energy levels and age, otherwise they would not have considered such a rule in the first place. --- Rod

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
On 11 December 2012 11:45, Matt Hamilton wrote: > We just submitted a job ad to a University placement scheme site and there > was a whole load of info there about what you can and can't say. e.g. you > couldn't ask for someone 'energetic' as it implied ageism. *facepalm* I > remember a while b

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Matt Hamilton
On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: >> We are looking for people who are smart, get >> things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Nigel Small
That makes me want to cry. On 11 December 2012 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: > > We are looking for people who are smart, get > > things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > o

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: > We are looking for people who are smart, get > things done and are good team players. For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. She has told me that o

[python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
ReportLab are one of oldest Python firms in the UK. We are looking for high-calibre individuals to join us in Wimbledon (South-West London), UK, for immediate start. Reportlab offers a chance to work on world-beating technology with very high quality mentors, a first class customer base and enorm