Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
On 24/04/15 00:47, Steve Holden wrote: > +1 to everything but the sadness. People should be free to express their > feelings. As I hope is clear, the sadness is entirely of my own doing (it's how I felt when trying to compose a reply to this thread). I totally agree with you about freedom to expr

Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Steve Holden
+1 to everything but the sadness. People should be free to express their feelings. I haven't seen anybody being aggressive, demeaning or dismissive so I believe this thread is at least maintaining the rules of reasonable discourse. Unanimity is next to impossible. Therefore tolerance such as is

Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Steve Holden
Well, the purpose of the list isn't to keep any of its members comfortable, but I'm sorry this frank exchange of views isn't welcome to everyone. I personally feel that it's much better for people to say what they mean, and have a frank exchange of views. But I quite understand that some people

Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
Hi, This thread makes me feel extremely sad. I've written several emails in reply and thrown them all away simply because they made me feel ashamed of how such dismissive attitudes have got under my skin. I am diminished as a result. Anand, Jon, Alex, Andy, *everyone*: you will *always* be made m

Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Phil Tysoe
This all feels very unpleasant and beyond the scope of the Python UK mailing list. Speaking personally, I subscribe to this list to keep in touch with what is happening in the Python community in a positive and productive sense. On 23 April 2015 at 18:14, Andy Kilner wrote: > > "so in the prior

Re: [python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Andy Kilner
"so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean?" Jon used to come along to the pyssup meetups I used to organise, that was about 7 years ago. He did so for a number of years before other meetups such as DJUGL took off and his eventual rescue when nobody was there to take

[python-uk] What is community involvement? was: DJUGL - Django User Group London: this evening (April 22th) at 19:00 c/o WayraUK

2015-04-23 Thread Anand Kumria
Hi Alex, [ Note, I've changed the subject since this is specific to DJUGL anymore ] On 22/04/15 15:55, Álex González wrote: > Hi g(uy|irl)s, > > my 2 cents here. > > As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to > find sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sp