Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread DL Neil
If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something. ... Hmmm. Perhaps there's a perception issue here. Speaking for myself, but -- I believe -- channelling the other organisers, I would say that we're far more inter

Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8

2013-07-12 Thread Mark Egan-Fuller
I agree with the scrapheap challenge style. One expert per team ensures things will actually happen and having someone overview the coding would ensure a better environment for new and (let's be honest) *other* people who don't feel they're at the 'right' level. I have to admit that I didn't feel

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread xtian
I like the sound of this - Scrapheap Challenge style. You're right, it would take a bit more organisation though. On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead wrote: > Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of > organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Alistair Broomhead
Something that may may not work (I guess it would take a fair amount of organisation) once a challenge has been picked, we ask people to volunteer as team leaders, they get a git repo set up and write tests, but their main role is to advise their team and give them a nudge on things which are stopp

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Javier Llopis
>> Another person could simply say: mmm... interesting but... not for my >> level. And stop coming. Do you really want this? > > When all's said and done, if someone doesn't think it's for them, then > it's not for them. We can try to be as accommodating as possible, but > you can't please all the

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: > If I'm in a team where other people are way more expert than me, I > will never want to take the keyboard and start coding something. > I think they would be bored by my slowness and by my level. My slow > speed in coding could affect also the whole

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Now you got it correctly :) Let's wait also for opposite opinions. We need to understand if there are opposite opinions and what are their resons, so we can maybe find a common agreement. Regards :) p.s: no other Dojos until September? No, please let's catchup for a beer sometimes at least :

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Tim Golden
Trying to summarise a bit. Hope I haven't misrepresented anyone. [a.gra...@gmail.com] Feeling left out as a newbie; proposing different levels of coding challenge / team group. Suggesting that less experienced coders might stay away. [stest...@gmail.com] Suggesting a change-now bell or hooter or

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
On 12 July 2013 12:31, Michael Grazebrook wrote: > Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams > have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the keyboard > and try to ensure everyone is included. +1 for this :) It would be very kind from expert coder

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Grazebrook
Perhaps we could stream teams, but also make sure less experienced teams have more experienced mentors - mentors who would rarely take the keyboard and try to ensure everyone is included. On 12/07/2013 12:18, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: While I'm d

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/07/2013 12:10, David Miller wrote: > On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden > wrote: > > All that said, I'm up for trying anything. > > > The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming > language at the LPD has long been a problem... Not to

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Stestagg
The only obvious thing I can think of here would be to have a speed-dating style bell/noise that rings periodically, prompting people to swap over on the keyboard. I think this could be quite fun, maybe slightly annoying(?) but worth it, IMO. Teams who decide to use multiple laptops should still

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: > While I'm definitely sympathetic, making sure to involve newbies is not > that easy a problem to solve. (Though that's not to say we can't try). > It pretty much comes down to who's in your team. Sometimes you get a > team which wholeheartedly embrac

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread David Miller
On 12 July 2013 12:00, Tim Golden wrote: > All that said, I'm up for trying anything. > The repetitive & predictable use of Python as the main programming language at the LPD has long been a problem... -- Love regards etc David Miller http://www.deadpansincerity.com 07854 880 883

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/07/2013 11:24, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: > Thank you for the nice evening guys :) > > It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new. > > I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a > newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in >

Re: [python-uk] The London Python Dojo is this Thursday

2013-07-12 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Thank you for the nice evening guys :) It was amazing to meet you all and to try to learn something new. I have a suggestion for the next time. Maybe it's just me that I'm a newbie... I don't know...but... I would suggest to split us in groups/projects with this target: experts, intermediate, bas

[python-uk] The great Salt sprint

2013-07-12 Thread Kris Saxton
Hi All, A while back I gave a talk (http://bit.ly/Z0wFHt) on Salt (http://saltstack.com/): a remote execution engine written in python. On the 27th July there will be an international Salt coding sprint, a great opportunity for anyone who is (or is thinking about) hacking on Salt to get togeth