[python-uk] Just thanks!

2012-12-11 Thread Álex González
Hi guys! It's the first time that I went to the python-uk "confs" (let's call it some beer between friends) :) But I really enjoyed it! I really like when I can talk with the people as I knew them from months/lifes ago! I this is what happened here, I felt really confortable! I hope to see you in

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Duncan Booth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Andy Robinson wrote: > Russel, I actually had a read of the Equality and Diversity Act 2010. > > It defines seven "protected characteristics": age, disability, gender > reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, > marriage and civil partnersh

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
Russel, I actually had a read of the Equality and Diversity Act 2010. It defines seven "protected characteristics": age, disability, gender reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, marriage and civil partnership and pregnancy and maternity. I cannot find anything in it to

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread John Lee
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Jonathan Hartley wrote: [...] Nobody has proposed replacing the mailing list, or changing it in any way. I don't object (I don't approve either), but: It doesn't change the mailing list in the same sense that Tescos opening opposite your local corner shop doesn't change t

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread John Lee
I won't argue with your logic, but if a group of people use "energetic" to mean "young", then that's what it means to them (in some context). I think "energetic" has been a known as a standard job-ad euphemism for some time. Whether it has actually been used widely in that way, I don't know -

Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Tony Ibbs
On 10 Dec 2012, at 20:47, Duncan Booth wrote: > Surely that's more of a "won't" than a "can't"? OK, true enough. > Your post to this list has both names clearly displayed Indeed - I'm posting here to a list where (if anyone knows me!) it might be by either name. And it's not something I actua

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Zeth
On 10/12/12 14:32, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Hi All, I now that I have been absent for a number of years on this list, but now after changing jobs (well I am in the middle of it again), changing homes and being a daddy (still am) I have come to a point where I can get more actively involved again

Re: [python-uk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Zeth
On 10/12/12 20:02, Tony Ibbs wrote: Hmm. Don't forget that some of us *can't* use google plus, because it won't let us use our normal online names (I've been TIbs online since before there was such a thing, but that's not good enough for google plus). I'm sure I'm not the only one. That should

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 10:48 +, Jonathan Hartley wrote: […] > Nobody has proposed replacing the mailing list, or changing it in any way. > > Somebody just started a G+ community as well, and thought you all might > like to know. The problem for me is that we now have two communities instead o

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 11:38 +, Andy Robinson wrote: […] > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. > She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because > explicitly asking for SMART pe

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
As the original poster, this has prompted me to check and I was quite surprised to see that average salaries have risen by 13% in the last year alone. However, to be clear 1. The salaries in these surveys are presumably averaged across all stages of peoples' 40 year careers 2. We are a fairly smal

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Stestagg
Having just gone through this, I would expect a python role of this nature to be offered between £35-45 k DOE in London. There are certainly candidates around who could satisfy all of the stated requirements, but will be given competitive offers from other people looking. I got the impression tha

[python-uk] DjangoCon Europe 2013 call for papers

2012-12-11 Thread Daniele Procida
DjangoCon Europe http://2013.djangocon.eu will be held in Warsaw from the 15th-19th May 2013 (three days of talks followed by two of sprints and workshops). The organisers are very pleased to invite members of the Django community to submit their talk proposals for the event. We're looking for

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread James Tarin
You'll get different numbers depending upon where you look: http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/south%20east/python.do From: Duncan Booth mailto:duncan.bo...@suttoncourtenay.org.uk>> Reply-To: UK Python Users mailto:python-uk@python.org>> Date: Tuesday, 11 December 2012 13:27 To: UK Python Users m

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Tim Golden
On 11/12/2012 11:10, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > And that somebody being me :-) And thank you for taking the initiative. As I mentioned before, I have nothing against Google+ as such, except for the fact that I don't really go there very often. (Maybe this will be an incentive). The current showing

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Ravi Kotecha
£52k doesn't seem unrealistic but I think it's distorted by the banks & hedge funds. Wouldn't expect to see a start-up paying that sort of salary unless it's a betting exchange. That being said, £25-30k does sound very low for what they're looking for (full stack Python programmer) On Tue, Dec 1

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Jon Ribbens
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:38:42AM +, Andy Robinson wrote: > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. > She has told me that our latest round of ads are wrong because > explicitly asking for SMART

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Duncan Booth
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM, wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Richard Barran wrote: > > PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer >>population from applying for your job. >> > > Is it fair to say that I hope the salary being offered already does > that? Seems really

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread chris . dent
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Richard Barran wrote: PS Actually, bad idea. You've just dissuaded 95% of the developer population from applying for your job. Is it fair to say that I hope the salary being offered already does that? Seems really low for near-London. Actually I have no idea. Is there

[python-uk] Industrial Placement at ARM, Cambridge

2012-12-11 Thread Dan Ros
Hi, We have the following upcoming 6-12 month industrial placement vacancy: http://careers.peopleclick.com/careerscp/client_arm/external/en-us/rssfeed.do?functionName=viewFromLink&jobPostId=9245 The role will be primarily relating to development on our reasonably large Django web application. Th

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Richard Barran
On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: >> We are looking for people who are smart, get >> things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Nigel Small
Agreed: my father is 63 and far more energetic than me. However, he'd make a terrible programmer. On 11 December 2012 12:08, Rod Hyde wrote: > Surely it is ageism to imply that energetic implies ageism? In other > words, if a person thinks that energetic implies ageism, then that person > has a

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Rod Hyde
Surely it is ageism to imply that energetic implies ageism? In other words, if a person thinks that energetic implies ageism, then that person has a preconceived idea of a relationship between energy levels and age, otherwise they would not have considered such a rule in the first place. --- Rod

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
On 11 December 2012 11:45, Matt Hamilton wrote: > We just submitted a job ad to a University placement scheme site and there > was a whole load of info there about what you can and can't say. e.g. you > couldn't ask for someone 'energetic' as it implied ageism. *facepalm* I > remember a while b

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Matt Hamilton
On 11 Dec 2012, at 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: >> We are looking for people who are smart, get >> things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > on employment law, and is very

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Nigel Small
That makes me want to cry. On 11 December 2012 11:38, Andy Robinson wrote: > On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: > > We are looking for people who are smart, get > > things done and are good team players. > > > For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars > o

Re: [python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
On 11 December 2012 10:51, Andy Robinson wrote: > We are looking for people who are smart, get > things done and are good team players. For all employers out there my HR guru goes to all the seminars on employment law, and is very current on what we can and cannot do. She has told me that o

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 11 December 2012 10:48, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > On 11/12/2012 09:02, Mike Sandford wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 21:08 +, Russel Winder wrote: >> >>> For me the problem is not Google, the problem is that it is a forum. A >>> forum is a place you have to go to to find out what is happ

[python-uk] Python Developers - ReportLab, Wimbledon, London

2012-12-11 Thread Andy Robinson
ReportLab are one of oldest Python firms in the UK. We are looking for high-calibre individuals to join us in Wimbledon (South-West London), UK, for immediate start. Reportlab offers a chance to work on world-beating technology with very high quality mentors, a first class customer base and enorm

Re: [python-uk] [pyconuk] Python-UK Google Plus Community

2012-12-11 Thread Jonathan Hartley
On 11/12/2012 09:02, Mike Sandford wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 21:08 +, Russel Winder wrote: For me the problem is not Google, the problem is that it is a forum. A forum is a place you have to go to to find out what is happening. Some people like this. I want interaction to come to me. In p