bility, but uses
> language that actually is quite incorrect. It's a better explanation,
> though.
Hang on, you say that an explanation which is "quite incorrect" is
*better* than one which is correct?
I can see why they call the card "Madness".
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computers to corporations, and even people.
But it does depend on context. Sometimes you need more detail than just
"Python looks". You need to know precisely *how* Python looks, and how it
decides whether it has found or not.
And note that I'm still using the intent
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close enough.
Of course, an acceptable answer would be "buggered if I know, but if you
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:11:22 +0200, Christian Heimes wrote:
> Am 10.07.2012 09:33, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
>> This is why I hate job interviews. You have like 30 minutes, or even as
>> little as 30 seconds, to make a good impression on somebody who may or
>> may not
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:59:15 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> If only that were true. I know quite a few people who looked the
>> interviewer straight in the eye and told the most bare-faced lies
>> without
y auto-detecting the encodings. The chardet module
should help you there.
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;.bmp".
Then what do you expect to do? You can open the file as a binary blob,
but what do you expect then?
f = open("my_file_name.bmp", "rb")
Now what do you want to do with it?
> 2) I can not assign
> encoding="..." whatever be the encoding I have to re
s
about lambda that fools people into thinking that it is different (I've
even been fooled myself!) but it is not.
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pydoc, symtable, uuid, and others. pydoc and idlelib in particular make
heavy use of lambda, and the test suite is overflowing with them -- over
600 uses in total.
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ur-banger. I managed to persuade the team I was on that an RPN
> calculator would be simpler to (potentially) implement... And THEN
> persuaded them to NOT use the equivalent of an ALU class, but to put the
> math work into each operation button...
"ALU class"?
Googling gives me
en a functor, either
in the Haskell sense or the C++ sense.
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te order.
That's because partial only applies positional arguments from the left.
If there was a "right partial" that applies from the right, we could use
the built-in instead:
funcs = [rpartial(pow, i) for i in range(5)]
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so you can train your markov chains with extra functor parameters to
functor objects that are functor factory decorator functors.
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may not store values by name, but the principle
is sound: the function, when called later, looks up the current value of
variable i, which is not necessarily the same as it was when the closure
was originally defined.
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The result of this is that even when the device tells you that the data
is synched, it may not be.
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Neither email nor usenet are guaranteed delivery services, and they
certainly don't guarantee to deliver messages in order. Assume that your
readers may not have seen the message you are replying to, and you will
probably get more and better re
Mwahahaha my pretty, you cannot cancel this!!!")
print("...er, now what do I do?")
except Exception:
print("why am I catching exceptions I can't recover from?")
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Well of course it does. If copytree fails, the try block ends and
execution skips straight to the except block, which runs, and then the
program halts because there's nothing else to be done.
That at least is my guess, based on the described symptoms.
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myfile.append('some data')
# delete it from the "file system"
del ns['a']
# but I can still read and write to it
myfile.append('more data')
print(myfile[0])
# but anyone else will get an error if they try
another_file = ns['a']
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keeps a lock on only the last block of the file, and a tail-like reader
which honours that lock. But why bother? Just have the assembler append
to the file, and let people use any reader they like, such as tail.
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1: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ :? for help
>
> Prelude> let funcs = [ (\ x -> x ^ i)| i <- [0..4]]
> Prelude> (funcs !! 0)(2)
> 1
> Prelude> (funcs !! 1)(2)
> 2
> Prelude> (funcs !! 2)(2)
> 4
> Prelude>
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:26:20 -0700, rantingrickjohnson wrote:
> On Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:13:47 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Rick has obviously never tried to open a file for reading when somebody
>> else has it opened, also for reading, and discovered that desp
hon does not allow assignment as an expression, so you can't
make the typical C error of:
if x = y: do_something() # oops meant x == y
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or, this may appear mysterious.
The solution is to us lsof to identify the unlinked file, which gives you
the process id of the application, which you can then kill. As soon as
you do that, the space is freed up again.
Like all powerful tools, unlinked files can be abused. Underpowered tools
c
a standard way
to play a simple alert sound. Why ask for volunteers to write and
maintain the code, and suddenly they go silent.
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As far as I can tell, Python always uses late binding for scopes; the
only time it does early binding is for default values of function
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:10 -0700, rusi wrote:
> On Jul 14, 8:43 am, Steven D'Aprano +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:31:24 -0700, rusi wrote:
>> > Consider the following
>>
>> > def foo(x):
>> > i = 100
&g
d, or when the closure is called.
> late binding being the
> feature that makes duck typing possible.
That is conflating two entirely distinct subjects. Python 1.5 had duck-
typing but no closures, so the one certainly does not depend on the other.
Duck-typing is more a philosophy than a language feature: the language
must be typed, and the programmer must prefer to program to a protocol or
a specification rather than to membership of a type.
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:49:48 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Not necessarily *compile* time, but the distinction is between when the
>> function is defined (which may at compile time, or it may be at run
&
ang.python/msg/2de5e1c8384c0360?hl=en
Sadly, or happily, Python did grow True and False values, but the
fundamental distinction between something and nothing still exists.
(For the record, I can only think of one trap for the unwary: time
objects are false at *exactly* midnight.)
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:19:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> (For the record, I can only think of one trap for the unwary: time
>> objects are false at *exactly* midnight.)
>
> Ugh, that's irritating. I c
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:02:37 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 5:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> 3) Rather than distinguishing "true" from "false", a more useful
>> dichotomy is between "something" and "nothing". Python include
ing the content
of the test or program code or both.
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es are not interchangeable just because
> they can be converted to booleans, so you wouldn't lose much by being
> forced to explicitly convert to boolean with something
> interface-specific.
Until somebody writes an awesomely fast stack class in C and gives it an
is_empty() met
True, and True == 1, you should be able to
convert x into 1. But that's crazy, since x = [None, 42, ''].
*shrug* I don't call this a gotcha, but it is one of the more ugly
consequences of Python's bool implementation.
> Can you
> reduce this to the absurd? Or will you just choose to ignore this valid
> point?
Mu. (Neither true nor false.)
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decorated with classdecorator.
I'm very slightly leaning towards writing metaclasses like this:
class ExampleMeta(type):
def __new__(meta, *args): ...
def method(cls, *args): ...
class Example(metaclass=ExampleMeta):
def another_method(self): ...
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:54:32 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Andrew Berg wrote:
>> On 7/15/2012 9:38 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>> I would expect None to mean "doesn't exist" or "unknown" or something
>>>> like that - e.g., a valu
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:12:47 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> It
> looks like Firebird implements the variety of ternary logical called
> "Keene logic".
Oops, I meant "Kleene".
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:28:14 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2012 02:38:35 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:02:37 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Okay, I s
is is not *entirely* wrong, because SimpleNamespace certainly doesn't
*claim* to be a container, nor does it expose the full container API. But
it should, even if that means it is no longer quite so simple.)
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ed a real-world situation where you can't collapse the
entire universe of valid values into just two, True and False, without
losing information. Did you think that this would be surprising?
Python developers often talk about interpreting objects "in a boolean
context" -- that&
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:13:33 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:19:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>> (For the record, I can only think of one trap for th
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:18:28 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:15:13 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
>>
>>> For example, instead of "if stack:" or "if bool(stack):
NameError: name 'x' is not defined
OH MAN, that would be SO AWESOME, we should like so do it!!!
(I'm being sarcastic, in case it's not obvious.)
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:23:22 -0700, Michele Simionato wrote:
> The standard is to use `cls`. In the __new__ method you can use `mcl` or
> `meta`.
Thanks to everyone who answered.
I think I will stick with "meta" and "cls".
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application (like many email clients!) that strips whitespace, your code
will break. So don't do that.
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> but that's just not the way people write code in Python.
Better is to use explicit type checks and raise an exception yourself:
if not isinstance(x, int):
raise TypeError('expected an int, got %r' % x)
Better still is to duck-type whenever you can.
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at every value. Why write code with
unnecessary guard values and temporary variables out of a misplaced sense
that functions must only have one exit?
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do just fine under the conditions I am
talking about.
If you need the check to run, then assert is not suitable, because it is
not guaranteed to run. It's as simple as that.
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compatibility with others who are not as enlightened and insist on using
broken tools that cannot deal with tabs, I have reluctantly standardised
on spaces for indentation.
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:33:01 -0400, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 07/18/2012 08:58 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> For bonus points, can you see the mistake?
[...]
>>
> There are actually two bugs in that function. One is in the assertion,
> but more importantly, t
n't naturally support is
logic programming.
So Python is simultaneously more *and* less object-oriented than Java.
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exits
or just one, that is crap code in any language. But if the choice is to
write a 20 line function with three exits, or a 30 line function with a
single exit, there would have to be a good reason to prefer the single-
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gt; s.seek(0)
py> d = csv.Sniffer().sniff(s.read())
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/csv.py", line 184, in sniff
raise Error, "Could not determine delimiter"
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mental
qualities, e.g. "he inherited his tendency to melancholy from his
father";
3) to come into possession of, e.g. "the meek shall inherit the earth";
4) to receive from a predecessor, e.g. "the Prime Minister has inherited
an economy in dire straits".
It is clear that the sense of inheritance used in OO programming is sense
#2, to have by nature.
> Objects dont.
Irrelevant.
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Writing good documentation is *hard*. I often end up writing more
documentation than code, sometimes by a factor of two. Fortunately I love
to write. As may be obvious.
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upper bound is *much* smaller than Graham's Number but still
inconceivably ginormous.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number
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"Does the government know about this? We have to do something!"
The lecturer said "Don't worry sir, there's no need to panic, this won't
happen for billions of years."
The fellow looked relived and said "Oh thank god, I thought you said
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:27:02 -0400, Matty Sarro wrote:
> I must be a Jew or a traitor as I keep deleting this email.
You might be both.
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. Perhaps the predefined
> 'cvs.excel' dialect matches your data. If not, the easiest way might be
> to manually define a csv.Dialect subclass.
Perhaps the csv module could do with a pre-defined "one column" dialect.
If anyone comes up with one, do consider proposing it as
rks on PyPy (and
> hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.
>
> Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.
I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not the
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wrong impression.
Here are a few randomly selected examples of good release announcements:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009528.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009509.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009524.html
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ects that it
will work with Stackless, Jython, IronPython, and any other compliant
Python interpreter, but hasn't tested on them.
> Works or hopefully works with CPython -- which is it?
I agree that the sentence is unclear, but my reading of it is that it
works on CPython.
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I don't expect so. There may be special PyPy functions that other
Python's won't have, but I don't know of any. If you stick to standard
library and language features as described in the normal Python docs, you
should be fine
ngElseInstead()
block is the "normal" procedure, and the doSomething() block is a special
case. Not necessarily rare, but nevertheless special in some sense.
Of course, the decision as to which is the "special" case and which is
the "normal" case is often entirely arbitrary.
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Some people also annoyingly send to both the newsgroup *and* the mailing
list, not realising -- or not caring -- that they are the same thing.
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industry dominated by three big, competing entities who hate each other
(Microsoft, Apple, Google) is better than a monopoly of one (Microsoft).
But we, the users and consumers, should never make the mistake of
thinking that *any* of the three have our best interest
the input list.
The list.sort method sorts the list in place.
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one of the slower ways of
processing large numbers of input lines.
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be faster; both will be no slower than a for-loop, and may be faster.
Or at least, this was the case last time I checked.
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;tuple.__repr__([1,2,3])" threw a TypeError. Oh well.
> There's a limit to the ways Python lets you shoot yourself in the foot.
Of course -- [1,2,3] is not a tuple, so how would tuple know what to do
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:29:33 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>>> Methods are just functions, and you can call any method of any class
>>> with any object as its first parameter.
>>
>> Not quite:
Smart Quotes" characters rââ instead of good old fashioned
typewriter-style quotes r'' or r"".
If you're going to ask programming questions using an email client that
changes what you type, including smart quotes, special hyphens or other
characters, you're g
deterministic": while it
does not promise what order the keys will be returned, it does promise
that whatever that order turns out to be, they will returned in the same
order as the matching values (unless you modify the dict while iterating).
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showing all characters) I wouldn't hold my breath for full Unicode syntax
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ble, easy to remember mnemonics for additional characters. Back
in 1984, Apple Macs made it trivial to enter useful non-ASCII characters
from the keyboard. E.g.:
Shift-4 gave $
Option-4 gave ¢
Option-c gave ©
Option-r gave ®
Dead-keys made accented characters easy too:
Option-u o gave ö
Op
with dotless uppercase I, like in English. But in
Turkish, you have ı <=> I and i <=> İ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I
And if this wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious:
http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail
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d even more so. Perhaps they too should be banned from identifiers?
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And perhaps most relevant of all:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3117/
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> free data from freely donated time.
Well of course it is your time and your judgement to make, but in my
opinion even non-free scientific knowledge is better than ignorance.
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:51:07 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>>> Leaving aside the point that this is not directly related to Python,
>>> my opinion is that if the authors will not make past and future pap
ry
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quot;except Exception" line above.
> L.sort
> print (L)
>
> # and what"s wrong with some of this, here! #myHash = set(L)#
> uniqify
> #pp.pprint(myHash) # july 23, 131001 hike!
I don't know what's wrong with it. What do you expect it to do, and what
does it actually do instead?
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operates on the name "x", not the object. The object 1 does not know it
has been bound to anything -- that's one weakness of the "tag" model,
because it implies that objects know what tags they have attached. They
don't.
Imports:
import x
also operates o
t; despite the reasons for the boycott, the product has some value. They
>> > boycott it because by doing so, they can get something better than
>> > or -- they can get > > badness>. (At least, in theory :)
>>
>>
> On Jul 24, 10:34 am, Steven D'
which means that, like it or not, 22/7 *is* associated with π.
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take something that does *nothing at all* into something that
(figuratively speaking) jumps up to its feet, runs around the room three
times, and then sits back down again.
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o important that it has to
be a built-in function; and
2) why it needs to be called "pass".
Nobody is disputing the usefulness of do nothing functions. We're
disputing that *pass* should be that function.
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:59:30 +0200, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
> Am 26.07.2012 04:38, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
>> The examples of pass-as-a-function shown by the Original Poster don't
>> give any clue of what advantage there is to make pass a function.
>
> Just read
ade
a guess based on the limited information I had, and based on my own
history, and you tell me my guess was wrong. I accept that.
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a.b.c.d.e.f.g.something
goes to:
a.b...g.something
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anywhere near that low. CRC32 is neither collision-resistant nor
cryptographically random, and only generates eight hex digits, not ten.
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e 5, in __init__
NameError: global name 'keys' is not defined
If you fix that and try again, you get this error:
py> utility = Utility()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "", line 7, in __init__
TypeError: get_value() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
The results you claim you get are not true.
Please read this page and then try again:
http://sscce.org/
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to a set, and see what it actually contains.
It will also help you to read this page and try to follow its advice:
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ask. Is this correct?
3) Any other problems with the way I am doing this?
Thanks in advance,
Steven
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Here's a Python parser using the pyparsing library. It's a bit old
(written for Python 2.4) but it shouldn't be hard to update it to new
syntax:
http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/file/view/pythonGrammarParser.py
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penOffice or Abiword and read it. Something in Google Docs might as well
be locked in a safe as far as I'm concerned.
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:41:19 -0700, jwp wrote:
>> BTW I think if you rename the ReStructured Text docs to .rst github
>> will automatically render them.
>
> Did not know that. Gonna go do a lot of git mv's now.
Do *one* and see if github actually does render it. Then do
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