On 2023-03-09, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2023-03-09, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>>It finally dawned on me after seeing an example I found elsewhere that
>>>you don't call some module method to fetch the next user-entered line.
>>>
>>&g
On 2023-03-09, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 10:04, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Yeesh. What's _really_ embarassing is that I just stumbled across a
>> small test program with which I had apparently figured this out
>> 10-12 years ago. Must be ab
On 2023-03-10, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> On 10/03/23 10:08 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> It finally dawned on me after seeing an example I found elsewhere that
>> you don't call some module method to fetch the next user-entered line.
>>
>> You call the i
On 2023-03-10, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
<2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-10 at 12:57:48 +1100,
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 12:56, Greg Ewing via Python-list
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 10/03/23 1:
inherit bash-like history-list editing (e.g. Control-P scrolls
back to the last command, Control-N forward to the next one,
Control-F moves the cursor to the right non-destructively,
Control-B moves the cursor to the left non-destructively, etc.).
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On 2023-03-10, Weatherby,Gerard wrote:
> On our Linux systems, I can up-arrow to go back to prior commands
> and use the left and right arrows to navigate a line. The
> functionality may be provided internally by readline. I’ve never had
> to dig into it because it meets my needs out of the box.
On 2023-03-10, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 10Mar2023 09:12, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>On 2023-03-10, Weatherby,Gerard wrote:
>>> On our Linux systems, I can up-arrow to go back to prior commands
>>> and use the left and right arrows to navigate a line. The
>&g
On 2023-03-16, Thomas Passin wrote:
> In general, I don't like a lot of popups and code completions, so I
> tend to avoid them. I don't even like automatic parens or brace
> insertion.
I _hate_ it when the "editor" decides to insert stuff I didn't
type. There's an html editor I use occasionally
on
>
> I guess this surprised me. When I see “thread safe”, I don’t expect
> to get errors.
Well, I guess it doesn't say that iteration of a deque is thread
safe. It only claims that appends and pops from either end are thread
safe. It doesn't even claim that inserts, removes,
e obvious representation, but it's six of one and a horse of the
same color.
If one really needs it to be a class, then it woulnd't be much more
than a dozen or two lines of code...
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On 2023-03-28, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 3/28/2023 12:13 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2023-03-28, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>>
>>> So far, you seem to be the only person who has ever asked for a
>>> single entity incorporating an EPOCH (datetime.datetime) + a
ed). At some point
that old, unsorted object will "go away" completely and cease to exist.
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assume you do "from import *". I think that leads people to
believe it's a good practice when, in fact, it's a frequent source of
trouble as the OP found out.
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apps going. As the apps get
larger and more complex, I find it easier to use wxPython or pyGTK
(never tried pyQt). However, if you want to package that small app
using cxfreeze (or whatever) tk tends to produce pretty large bundles
compared to others.
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> sizes.
Ah, that's the brilliant thing about VB6 apps! They only work properly
on machines with the same resoultion and display/font configuration as
the developer.
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27;s how ChatGPT works. It's a program to generate output
language that sounds right based on a huge training set of
text. Whether that "right sounding" language agrees with real world
facts or not is irrelevent to the language-generating algorithm.
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On 2023-04-12, Ali Mohseni Roodbari wrote:
> Hi all,
> Please make this command for Python (if possible):
>
x=1
y='a'
wprint (x+y)
1a
If that's what you want, use PHP or some other language. Don't try to ruin
Python.
> In fact make a new type of print command which can print
On 2023-04-13, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 12Apr2023 22:12, avi.e.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I suspect the OP is thinking of languages like PERL or JAVA which guess
>>for you and make such conversions when it seems to make sense.
>
> JavaScript guesses. What a nightmare.
So does PHP. What's rea
I recently googled across the ncurses application framework npyscreen,
and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project
(something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npc
requires it to be "installed" or
require that users install dependencies via pip/apt/yum/whatever.
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Does the Python curses support in the standard library not include
support for the curses form library? It seems to include support for
the panel library, but I can't find any mention of the form library.
I see in the docs that menu support is still missing. :/
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On 2023-04-24, Grant Edwards wrote:
> The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
> support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to
> distribute. Right now, the application is a single .py file you
> just copy to the destination machine and run.
On 2023-04-24, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 24/04/2023 17:26, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> Does the Python curses support in the standard library not include
>> support for the curses form library? It seems to include support for
>> the panel library, but I can't find any mention
On 2023-04-24, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 4/24/23 10:32, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> However... I just realized that Python's curses support is missing two
>> huge chunks: both menu and form support are not there. I guess that
>> explains why people feel the need to wri
I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily:
DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in
Python 3.13
What should I use in place of nntplib?
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On 2023-05-15, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily:
>>
>> DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for
>> removal in Python 3.13
>>
>> What should I use in place of nntplib?
>
> I'd recommend creating a PyPI project with the
ted out to me that Perl still has a supported NNTP
library. That stung. However, it's a CPAN module, which is more
equivalent to PyPI than to the standard library, so I guess that it
isn't as bad a loss of face as I feared.
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On 2023-05-16, Chris Green wrote:
> Grizzy Adams wrote:
>> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:26, Alan Gauld wrote:
>> Re: What to use instead of nntplib? (at least in part)
>>
>> >On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> I got a nice warnin
On 2023-05-12, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
>
> Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32
> bit (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import tkinter
> >>> tkinter.messagebox
> Traceback (most recent cal
nstall something, I always
do a --dry-run first and make a note of any dependancies that pip is
going to try to install -- so I can install those using the package
manager if possible.
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e now very stable) that lack of "activity" is interpreted as
"unpopular" regardless of how many people are using the module.
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they installed pip for the wrong version of python. [I don't really
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postings from people with that problem.]
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https://www.amazon.com/Python-GUI-Programming-Tkinter-user-friendly/dp/1801815925/
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On 2023-05-25, Kevin M. Wilson via Python-list wrote:
> Ok, I'm not finding any info. on the int() for converting a str to
> an int (that specifies a base parameter)?!
Where are you looking?
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int
> The picture is of the code I've written... And
On 2023-05-26, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2023-05-25, Kevin M. Wilson via Python-list wrote:
>
>> Ok, I'm not finding any info. on the int() for converting a str to
>> an int (that specifies a base parameter)?!
>
> Where are you looking?
>
> https://docs.pyth
On 2023-05-26, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
> Grant, I may well buy one of the books you suggested.
I haven't had look at either of the newer books, but I got a lot of
good out of the Grayson book (20 years ago). I also had a Tcl/Tk book
that I found useful even when usng tkin
On 2023-05-31, Vishal Chandratreya wrote:
> When an exception occurs, the full path to the file from which it
> originates is displayed, but redundant elements are not removed. For
> instance:
> $ ./python ./foo
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/home/User/cpython/./foo", line 4, in
On 2021-01-12, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:18 AM Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>>
>> On 2021-01-12, songbird wrote:
>>
>> > it can be used for pretty much anything except perhaps
>> > high pressure real time things, but i bet someone
suspect that Slackware will continue with X11.
And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
managers configured window placement. Application code should not care
about or try to control window geometry. Period.
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On 2021-01-12, Chris Angelico wrote:
> * Command-line calculator - pressing Ctrl-Alt-P will open up a
> terminal with Python, and that's the normal way that I do quick
> calculations
I do that a lot too.
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On 2021-01-13, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:18:05 - (UTC), Grant Edwards
> declaimed the following:
>>On 2021-01-12, songbird wrote:
>>
>>> it can be used for pretty much anything except perhaps high
>>> pressure real time things, b
changes.
Is there a way to span columns/rows in a grid or control which columns
grow/shrink?
Have I missed something?
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r I'd just use the
> ANSI escape sequences directly.
Or use a terminfo library:
https://github.com/DirectXMan12/py-terminfo
It _may_ be possible to use ncurses to get the terminfo strings
required for various functions without actually having ncurses to any
I/O, but I've never tried t
On 2021-01-14, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> When I've wanted to do simple things like bold and clear, I've used the
> tput(1) tool. You can capture stdout from the tool and use the output
> over and over. Typically I've done this in shell scripts:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> bold=$(tput sm
"stdout" FILE stream that's declaredin . That stream
layer/object has buffering that is invisible to Python. Python's
sys.stdout.flush() is flushing the Python file object's output buffers
to the standard output file descriptor(fd 2). It is not flushing the
the libc
On 2021-01-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I suspect that the problem is that putp is writing to the libc
> "stdout" FILE stream that's declaredin . That stream
> layer/object has buffering that is invisible to Python. Python's
> sys.stdout.flush() is flushing the Pyt
In Python 3.7+, how does one flush the stdout FILE stream? I mean the
FILE *declared as 'stdio' in . I'm _not_ asking how to flush the
Python file object sys.stdio.
The problem is that some Python modules write to FILE *stdio, but
don't flush the stream so that the data gets written to the standar
On 2021-01-15, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 15/01/2021 17:31, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I suspect that the problem is that putp is writing to the libc
>> "stdout" FILE stream that's declaredin . That stream
>> layer/object has buffering that
On 2021-01-15, Eryk Sun wrote:
> On 1/15/21, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> In Python 3.7+, how does one flush the stdout FILE stream? I mean the
>> FILE *declared as 'stdio' in . I'm _not_ asking how to flush the
>> Python file object sys.stdio.
>
> You can
On 2021-01-15, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 15/01/2021 17:31, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>>>> cur.putp(cls)
>>>> name = input("Hello, what's your name? ")
>>>>
>>>> cur.putp(bold)
>>>> print("Nice to mee
On 2021-01-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-01-15, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>> On 15/01/2021 17:31, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that the problem is that putp is writing to the libc
>>> "stdout" FILE stream that's declaredin .
On 2021-01-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Entities that are parameterized (e.g. goto location) would need to be
> passed through curses.tiparm() before they're decoded and printed. I'm
> goign to try that next.
The curses module doesn't expose tiparm, but you can use tparm
On 2021-01-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-01-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Entities that are parameterized (e.g. goto location) would need to be
>> passed through curses.tiparm() before they're decoded and printed. I'm
>> goign to try that next.
>
>
lush the FILE* stream every
time you do Python output. Or you have to keep track of which you did
last time.
It's very ugly.
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On 2021-01-16, Greg Ewing wrote:
> On 16/01/21 7:33 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Starting in Python 3., python's stdio file objects are _not_
>> on top of the libc FILE streams: they're directly on top of the file
>> descriptor.
>
> This sounds like rathe
n was to call ncurses tputs() function and pass it a
'putchar' callback that passes the output bytes to
sys.stdout.buffer.write(). I haven't gotten that working yet (it's
going to require some cytyptes magic).
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My previous code didn't work if the terminfo entities contained delay
specifiers because the delay specifier was left in the output
datastream. The case where the terminfo description contains delays,
but the delays aren't needed can be handled by simply removing the delay
specifiers by wrapping nc
Perhaps once you get your 'K' key fixed it'll work better.
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it should be used.
>
> I'm wondering whether the problem in this particular case stems
> from trying to use parts of curses without initialising it
> properly.
No.
> I expect that initialising curses would put stdout into some kind of
> unbuffered mode, and the rest of i
On 2021-01-17, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-01-17, Greg Ewing wrote:
>> On 17/01/21 12:40 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> This is true. However, at some point, the boundary is crossed from
>>> Python into the C library. Something, at that point, knows. It's very
&
On 2021-01-18, Random832 wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, at 13:36, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>> That could make a big difference, the putp() function specifically
>> states that it writes to stdout.
>
> I think there is a reasonable argument that this is a deficiency of
> the curses module.
callback, but I couldn't get it to work (the callback never got
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s binding, then the user could
write a useful putp(), or better yet a function that just does the
padding and returns a new bytestring.
> I've been using curses (C and python) for nearly 30 years and
> this is the first time I've ever used the tiXXX functions, and it
> was mainly just out of curiosity rather than real need.
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int attr_set(attr_t attrs, short pair, void *opts);
> int getch(void);
> int addch(const chtype ch);
> int printw(const char *fmt, ...);
Exactly. _Those_ are curses library calls.
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On 2021-01-19, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> int tgetent(char *bp, const char *name);
>> int tgetflag(char *id);
>> int tgetnum(char *id);
>> char *tgetstr(char *id, char **area);
>> char *tgoto(const char *cap, int col, int row);
>>
lient (slrn) via nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.python.general
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nstrates the problem.
> I know hardcore computer scientists would tell me about Python debugger.
I've been writing Python for 20+ years. I've never tried a debugger.
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On 2021-01-27, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> Me either. Like grant, i fall into the "look at the stack trace and
> think a bit, then put in print() calls or similar to show me whether
> things are what I expect them to be when the code runs".
>
> I actually have a Compu
My favorite (I'm using now) is VS Code with Python extension, it's very
> light. Recently also started background scanning, but that's generally done
> in 30 seconds.
Same question, what is it scanning?
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On 2021-01-27, C W wrote:
> My main takeaway from the discussion so far is that: you can't troubleshoot
> Python without some kind of breakpoint or debugger.
How odd. I do it all the time.
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your Python type).
Windows only.
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On 2021-02-06, Barry wrote:
>
>
>> On 6 Feb 2021, at 08:06, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> On 2021-02-05, Schachner, Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed there are many. One I have not seen listed here yet, that is
>>> quite light, starts quickly
On 2021-02-11, J. Pic wrote:
> I just meant removing the whole "default value mutating" story, not
> removing mutable variables. Really, I was wondering if there was a use case
> where this actually turns to an advantage,
I've seen people show how it can be used to provide function-scope
persist
On 2021-02-14, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 7:19:58 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> At the absolute least, show that you have something that can run Python
>> code.
>
> The OP has been making these claims on IRC for a (at least two
> years). He has never cared t
On 2021-02-14, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 14/02/2021 21:14, Chris Green wrote:
>> What's the easiest way to change the first occurrence of a specified
>> character in a string?
>
> By using a grown up (i.e. non-toy) programming language.
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On 2021-02-15, Roel Schroeven wrote:
> Is it your intention to not only compile procedural and object-oriented
> languages, or also functional languages such as Haskell, Ocaml, Scheme?
And Prolog!
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e-way traffic.
That's new -- it always used to be two-way. When did it change?
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Smalltalk system. I don't recall if Digitalk
Prolog was written entirely in Smalltalk, or if it was just integrated
into the Smalltalk system as an opaque object.
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l, it had all the
> theoretical bits by-passed or removed.
Back in the 80's we wrote real-time embedded software for cellular
telephone radios in Pascal. We even wrote the OS kernel in Pascal. It
worked great and was less error-prone than C.
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ITYM Pascal. ;)
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conversions, then I'd avise using
the "dumb" method.
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On 2021-02-20, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> Convert to a str.
> Convert to a list of ints, one for each digit
> Add 7 mod 10, for each digit in the list
I'd probably subtract 3 (mod 10), so as to more obviously match the
stated requirement.
> Convert to a list of single-character str's
> Catenate tho
tty much only use emacs for editing text...
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on 2.7. That said,
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1. Include it when you configure and build python
2. Install a binary Python distribution that aleady includes it.
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On 2021-03-01, Greg Ewing wrote:
> On 28/02/21 1:17 pm, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> [its length in bytes] is presented via the object's __len__ method,
>
>> BUT... It also has a __iter__ value, which like any Box iterates over
>> the subboxes.
>
> You're misusing __len__ here. If an object is iterab
point of asser being a keyword was so that if you
disable asserts then they go away completely: the arguments aren't
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On 2021-03-03, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 1:40 AM Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>
>> I thought the entire point of asser being a keyword was so that if you
>> disable asserts then they go away completely: the arguments aren't
>> even evaluated.
>
nt functions/features depending on which one they choose?
If you're just using a common subset to provide a fixed set of
features regardless, then just use whatever is installed.
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On 2021-03-07, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 15:40:41 - (UTC)
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2021-03-06, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>> > Let us say I have a package which reads a TOML file.
>> >
>> > I want to give the user of my package the ch
On 2021-03-08, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> On 2021-03-06 4:24 p.m., Terry Reedy wrote:
>> Trolling, among other things, is fishing with a moving line, especially
>> with a revolving lure, as from a moving boat. A troll, among other
>> things, is that method or the lure used.
>
> You are confusing "tro
d to what the OP is reporting. Issue 12737 is about Unicode
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> become "L'Homme". It's language-dependant.
In English, certain words are not capitalized in titles unless they're
the first word in the title (short articles and prepositions), and
.title() doesn't get that right either:
>>> "the man in t
ment. It makes specific
> assumptions
> about a specific use case of one specific language. It doesn't get more
> idiotic, frankly.
Ah, you've never used PHP then?
I haven't checked but it's a fair bit that PHP has 3-4 different
built-in ways to do it, and they're
you will be calling both .lower() and .title() on individual characters,
> but you will probably _never_ be calling .upper().
Does Python have any way to convert a character to titlecase? The
documentation for .title() explicitly states that it will convert a
character to upper case, not
ding to the docs. The doc states that .title() converts the
first character characger in each "word" to _upper_ case. Is the doc
wrong?
If you want titlecase, then you should call str.capitalize() which
(again according to the doc) converts the first character to _title_
case (starting in v3.8).
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are all digraphs, so is it
> correct to say that .title() uppercases the first character? Kind of.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "character". In my mind, the
first character of string s is s[1], and I would then expect that
s.title()[1] == s[1].upper()
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On 2021-03-22, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 1:18 AM Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what you mean by "character". In my mind, the
>> first character of string s is s[1], and I would then expect that
>>
>> s.title()
ges
I've used in my career.
Though I still somtimes pine for the fixed length integer types that
were lost in the py1.5->py2 transition...
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[1] Linux Driver Development for Embedded Processors - Second Edition
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it migrates to the other Amazon stores fairly
> quickly.
It's available in the US:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091B85B77/
$1.49 kindle
$5.99 paperback
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