Thomas> is there a MySQLdb-Version for the latest Mac OS (or can I use
Thomas> the Linux-tarball)?
I just built the latest version from source (1.1.7 or something).
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abigail> @@ No. Second, learn Python. Third, learn Perl (optional). :)
abigail> Just leave the third option out. Let him learn Python. We don't
abigail> want him. ;-)
We don't want him either. Perhaps we can persuade him to learn INTERCAL...
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Nick> If using 2.4 the subprocess module is a good solution too. It
Nick> lets you catch stdout/stderr easily.
Yeah, thought of that already. Currently not an option though.
Thx,
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>> http://www.python.org/pypi
>> THIS IS ALL PYTHON.
Paul> No. Those are programs people have written in Python or as Python
Paul> extensions.
What's your point? That I have to download and perhaps install them to use
them? In that case, how are these two scenarios different:
Nick> Upgrading your Python interpreter (even to a new maintenance
Nick> branch release) in a production environment is usually a fairly
Nick> involved exercise requiring a significant amount of testing, and
Nick> the fact of the matter is, you're unlikely to do so unless there
>> What matters is the code complexity, not whether something is in a
>> separate module or not.
Martin> A module *is* typically more complex than a single function.
And one that deals with cryptography is likely to be even more complex.
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>> One thing my company has done is written a ``safe_eval()`` that uses
>> a regex to disable double-underscore access.
Alex> will the regex catch getattr(object,
Alex> 'subclasses'.join(['_'*2]*2)...?-)
Now he has two problems. ;-)
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Alex> I dunno, maybe I'm just being pessimistic, I guess...
No, I think you are being realistic. I thought one of the basic tenets of
computer security was "that which is not expressly allowed is forbidden".
Any attempt at security that attempts to find and plug the security holes
while leav
Paul> I've had this discussion here before, maybe not with you. What I
Paul> really want is zero installations of anything.
Fine. Go build a sumo distribution and track the normal CPython. The
problem isn't all that new. (Take a look at scipy.org for one take on that
theme. Of cours
>> I wanted a list of all the methods of dict for example... where can i
>> find it?
Terry> Lib Ref 2.3.8 Mapping Types. Do browse chapter 2 so you know
Terry> what is there.
I think the best doc page to bookmark is the global module index:
http://docs.python.org/lib/modind
Nick> I think one of the special things about Python is its batteries
Nick> included approach, and a crypto library would seem to be an
Nick> obvious battery to install since it doesn't (or needn't) depend on
Nick> any other library or application.
Obvious for some I suppose (I've
r example, "rpm -aq | grep httpd"?
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Ken> rex is a module intended to make regular expressions easier to
Ken> create and use...
Have you checked out Ping's rxb module?
http://lfw.org/python/
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Grant> where are the methods of basic types documented?
The other day I suggested the most valuable doc page to bookmark is the
global module index. Here's a demonstration. Start at:
http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/modindex.html
Click "__builtin__", which takes you to
http:
Francis> "Every well-formed expression of the language can be assigned a
Francis> type that can be deduced from the constituents of the
Francis> expression alone." Bird and Wadler, Introduction to Functional
Francis> Programming, 1988
Francis> This is certainly not the case fo
>> 246 ValueError
>> 227 aetools.Error
>> 216 Error
>> 124 TypeError
>> 101 error
>> 75 RuntimeError
>> 53 IOError
>> 36 NotImplementedError
>> 36 ImportError
>> 36 EOFError
>> 31 SyntaxError
>> 23 KeyError
>> 23 AttributeError
>> 22 Distutil
> "Marcos" == Marcos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Marcos> I have tried all sorts of popens / excevs / os.systems /
Marcos> commands etc etc.
I think os.spawn* and os.wait will do what you want. I have trouble with
os.spawn* myself, so may just fall back to fork/exec + os.wait in the
snacktime> How difficult is it to turn python bytecode into it's
snacktime> original source?
Not very. Google for "python decompyle".
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test1dellboy3> I am exploring python-mode on emacs. When I open foo.py
test1dellboy3> in emacs and hit C-!, it starts the python interpreter in
test1dellboy3> another window. Next, I execute -
...
That's not really intended to be used as an interactive session with all
sorts of b
Paul> I'm talking about the very familiar experience of clicking a link
Paul> and then waiting, waiting, waiting for the page to load. You
Paul> rarely see that happen with Ebay or Google. It happens all the
Paul> time with Wikipedia.
It's more than a bit unfair to compare Wikip
>> __repr__ shouldn't be anything, if you don't have an actual need for
>> it. Neither should __str__.
Simon> Oh, I don't know. __str__ is so frequently useful in debugging
Simon> and logging that I always try and do something useful with it.
And sometimes __repr__ inherited fro
I wrote PEP 304, "Controlling Generation of Bytecode Files":
http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0304.html
quite awhile ago. The first version appeared in January 2003 in response to
questions from people about controlling/suppressing bytecode generation in
certain situations. It sat idle for a
Martin> The namespace issue alluded to doesn't exist when using the very
Martin> similar approach suggested earlier in this thread by Andrew
Martin> Durdin
Sure, but I don't think I want to pay the cost of the exec statement.
if/else would probably be quicker.
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Alan> Is it possible to persuade pydoc not to include documentation for
Alan> methods inherited from built-in classes?
Alan> I'm sure I could qite easily write something to post-process the
Alan> HTML files; just wondering if there might be an easier way.
If you're going to
Rex> I'm interested in running a Python interpreter in Emacs. I have
Rex> Python extensions for Emacs, and my python menu lists "C-c !" as
Rex> the command to run the interpreter. Yet when I run it I get the
Rex> message "Spawning Child Process: invalid argument." What do I need
dimitri> I came up with the following solution:
dimitri> a = 'harry is a strange guy. so is his sister, but at least she is
not a
dimitri> guy. i am.'
dimitri> b = a.replace('. ', '.')
dimitri> splitlist = b.split('.')
dimitri> newlist = []
dimitri> for i in range(le
Philippe> Not being from anglo-saxon heritage, I keep wondering why
Philippe> spammers always (or very often) get called 'trolls' ?
Fishing from a boat that is moving slowly is called "trolling". You're
slowly dragging bait or a lure through the water to entice a fish to bite
your hook.
Ramon> I am trying to use the csv module to parse a column of values
Ramon> containing comma-delimited values with unusual escaping:
Ramon> AAA, BBB, CCC (some text, right here), DDD
Ramon> I want this to come back as:
Ramon> ["AAA", "BBB", "CCC (some text, right here)", "DD
Adriaan> I'm not a very experienced Python programmer yet, so I might be
Adriaan> mistaken, but there are a few things that would make me prefer
Adriaan> C++ over Python for large (over 500.000 LOC) projects.
Adriaan> - namespaces
Python's go packages, modules, classes. Plenty o
Marcio> I have version 4.70 installed in my debian system (installed
Marcio> with apt-get, so I don't know where the sources are from). After
Marcio> reading the thread_ at sourceforge, I did a google search for
Marcio> "python emacs" and found the `Emacs goodies`_ page at python.o
greg> 1. Is there a better time function to use?
For this particular scenario I think time.time() is probably what you want:
cumulative = 0.0
n = 0
for link in links:
t = time.time()
ie.Navigate(link)
cumulative += time.time() - t
n += 1
print
peter> I used to use Snakespell from scriptfoundry to do spellchecking
peter> on my website (www.peterbe.com/search?q=pyton) but now that I've
peter> moved server and wiped the old machine I forgot to take with me
peter> the Snakespell code.
peter> www.scriptfoundry.com where
George> What 'magic' ? The (x,y,z) notation is used only for 3D
George> vectors. (x,y) is also common for 2D and perhaps (t,x,y,z) for
George> 4D, with t for time.
Don't forget (w,x,y,z) for quaternions...
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Madhu> I did...
Madhu> 1. wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.1/Python-2.4.1.tgz
Madhu> 2. gunzip -c Python-2.4.1.tgz | tar xvf -
Madhu> the above step errors:
Madhu>
Madhu> tar: directory checksum error
Madhu> gunzip: stdout: Broken pipe
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Imbaud> integer division and modulo gives different results in c and
Imbaud> python, when negative numbers are involved.
http://www.python.org/doc/faq/programming.html#why-does-22-10-return-3
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>> (P.S. I am very much aware of the existence of procmail, TMDA etc. My
>> requirements are very specific and requires integration with another
>> program, so I am only interested in getting a custom solution).
Tim> But are you aware that a procmail recipe can feed a message thro
Tamas> Do you have a convinient, easy way to remove special charachters
Tamas> from u'strings'?
Tamas> Replacing:
Tamas> ÀÁÂÃÄÅ => A
... etc ...
See if my latscii codec works for you:
http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/python/latscii.py
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TK> I can't install MySQLdb on Mac OS X (Ver. 10.3) properly. Here's my
TK> environment:
TK> 1. MySQL-python-1.0.0
...
Try a more recent version of mysql-python. I think 1.1.7 is the latest.
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Carl> but can't effbot's fast cElementree be used for PYROs XML_PICKLE
Carl> and would it be safe and fast enough?
It's not clear to me that if marshal is unsafe how XML could be safe. In
this context they are both just serializations of basic Python data
structures.
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>> Try a more recent version of mysql-python. I think 1.1.7 is the latest.
TK> It now works with MySQL-python-1.2.0
Andy's a busy guy... ;-)
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> Err, why?
>> It looks to ugly this way. I want to press
>> any key without ENTER to continue
How about modifying it to
raw_input("Press ENTER to continue ")
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Andrew> for another variation see that "Unicode Hammer" at
Andrew> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/251871
Andrew> It doesn't do the registry hooks that Skip does, and I see I
Andrew> need to learn more about the functions in the codes module.
Note that l
John> 4. For consistency, would you like "1" + 2 to produce "12"?
No, the correct answer is obviously 3. ;-)
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beliavsky> Since Python does not have declarations, I wonder if people
beliavsky> think it is good to name function arguments according to the
beliavsky> type of data structure expected, with names like "xlist" or
beliavsky> "xdict".
In general, no. I think variable names should
>> 1) Validate that the password is correct for that user *without
>>actually logging in*.
>>
Kanenas> The 'pwd' module probably won't be able (and won't try) to read
Kanenas> the shadow password file, so 'pwd' won't be of use.
Note that an spwd module was recently added
Alex> localhost:~alex#python
Alex> Python 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 24 2004, 09:29:20)
Alex> [GCC 3.3.3 (Debian)] on linux2
Alex> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
import smtplib
Alex> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
Can you file a bug repor
Doug>def foogen(arg1):
Doug> def foogen1(arg2):
Doug> # Some code here
Doug> # Some code here
Doug> yield_all foogen1(arg3)
Doug> # Some code here
Doug> yield_all foogen1(arg4)
Doug> # Some code here
Doug>
> "Sandeep" == Sandeep Avinash Gohad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sandeep> How can i use the url as an input so that I can save data from
Sandeep> that particular webpage to comma seperated file (csv).
This worked for me:
import urllib, csv
reader = csv.reader(urllib.urlopen("
Jeremy> At first I liked this, but the reason that is a syntax error is
Jeremy> that it is "supposed" to be
Jeremy> def f():
Jeremy> yield (x for x in gen1(arg))
Jeremy> which today on 2.4 returns a generator instance which will in
Jeremy> turn yield one generator ins
sboyle> I'm using urlopen, and it works fine. But I'd like to be able
sboyle> to change my browser string from "Python-urllib/1.15" to instead
sboyle> impersonate Internet Explorer.
sboyle> I know this can be done very easily with Perl, so I'm assuming
sboyle> it's also easy
Dave> In this snippet:
Dave> d = {'x': 1}
Dave> value = d.get('x', bigscaryfunction())
Dave> the bigscaryfunction is always called, even though 'x' is a valid
Dave> key.
I sometimes use
value = d.get('x') or bsf()
Of course, this bsf() will get called if d['x'] evaluat
>> d.popitem() Removes and returns an arbitrary (key, value) pair from d
>> If this isn't random enough, then you can generate a random number in
>> range(len(d))
Peter> Although this idea may suit the OP, "arbitrary" is most
Peter> definitely not "random".
Correct. The libr
I use sets a lot in my Python 2.3 code at work and have been using this
hideous import to make the future move to 2.4's set type transparent:
try:
x = set
except NameError:
from sets import Set as set
else:
del x
Of course, while it's transparent at one
Stephen> I have:
Stephen> try:
Stephen> set
Stephen> except NameError:
Stephen> from sets import Set as set
Stephen> in my code in a few places.
Yes, but then pychecker complains about a statement with no apparent effect,
hence the extra verbiage.
My question was
>> I have:
>> try:
>> set
>> except NameError:
>> from sets import Set as set
>> in my code in a few places.
Sion> Is there any reason to prefer this over the idiom I have:
Sion> if sys.version_info < (2, 4):
Sion> from sets import Set as set
No,
>> caused problems in the past. A module might sniff for 'set' and
>> assume it is running on 2.4 if it sees it, with unpredictable results
>> if it relies on any other 2.4 behaviour.
John> Aarrgghh! When there's a documented API (sys.version_info) for
John> determining the ve
Chris> the current csv module cannot handle unicode the docs say, is
Chris> there any workaround or is unicode support planned for the near
Chris> future?
True, it can't.
Chris> obviously I am not a python pro, i did not even find the py
Chris> source for the module, it seeme
Chris> the current csv module cannot handle unicode the docs say, is
Chris> there any workaround or is unicode support planned for the near
Chris> future?
Skip> True, it can't.
Hmmm... I think the following should be a reasonable workaround in most
situations:
#!/usr/bin/en
Kevin> I'm in critical need to install Python Imaging Library on my
Kevin> linux/cpanel server. I'm not very experienced and I almost always
Kevin> have to use instalation guides.
Take a look at the BUILDME and README files in the top-level directory.
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>> ... The calling method detects the exception, but needs to get input
>> from the user before deciding whether A.CalledMethod() should
>> continue being executed or permantently stop/cancel the execution of
>> the remaining code in A.CalledMethod(). Can this be done?
Bengt>
Michael> I took a look at goopy and I found that much of the stuff in it
Michael> could be done more efficiently with an itertools recipe. But
Michael> then again, it also had sum() and maximum() functions so it
Michael> must have been written for an older version of Python.
I th
Lorenzo> is there an alternative way of:
Lorenzo> - create a connection object
Lorenzo> - open the connection
Lorenzo> - close the connection
Lorenzo> every time one has to run a query.
Sure, create a Queue.Queue object and stuff a number of connections into
it. When you wan
e module I have available.
(Some users at work have old code that expects times to be floats in epoch
seconds as returned by time.time(). This allows them to easily use that
with minimal changes to their code.)
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tertius> Is there a more pythonic way to write or do a date difference
tertius> calculation? I have as input two date fields in the form
tertius> '-MM-DD'
How about:
import datetime
import time
bd = "2004-11-25"
ed = "2004-11-30"
start = datetime.date.fromti
Stephen Turnbull had this to say to a correspondent on the xemacs-beta
mailing list this morning. I think it would be just as accurate if you
replaced "XEmacs" with "Python".
Many of the things you request are prima facie reasonable, and
we'll certainly consider them in the light of what
Riko> I'm using emacs (with python-mode) to do most of my editing.
C-c # is bound to py-comment-region in python-mode.
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>> if False:
>>
>> (indented) block of code here is commented out
>> I've no idea how efficient it is compared to triple-quoted strings or
>> line by line comments.
Gustavo> Actually, it's infinitly [sp?] more defficient (contrary of
Gustavo> efficient?) than triple-
fuego> We've posted at Monster, Dice, jobs.perl.org and
fuego> python.jobmart.com. Can anyone advise other job boards that
fuego> might be helpful?
http://www.python.org/Jobs-howto.html
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Jacek> Anything you can do with decorators, you could do before (with
Jacek> the exception of rebinding the __name__ of functions).
And while that feature was added because we realized it would be nice if the
decorated function could have the same name as the original function, it
seems l
ted> The example given in the Python documentation for
ted> SimpleXMLRPCServer is more or less incomprehensible.
Agreed, there is a doc fix needed. Try mentally adding
from math import *
to the start of the example. That will get you the pow function. It's
still incorrect thoug
ted> Would several web services on the same server listen on different
ted> ports (, 8889, 8890...) or on the same port?
Port numbers are never implicit. You need to provide a listen port each
time you start the server.
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ted> The only other real question is what about the cgi servers? I'd
ted> assume I'd take the example given:
ted> class MyFuncs:
ted> def div(self, x, y) : return div(x,y)
ted> handler = CGIXMLRPCRequestHandler()
ted> handler.register_function(pow)
ted> handler.re
>> Have you looked in your web server's error log file?
ted> Shoulda thought of that It's telling me that the name
ted> CGIXMLRPCRequestHandler is not found. In other words, it is trying
ted> to execute the proper file at least. I'd have that that importing
ted> SimpleX
Ramon> I'm using the csv module to parse a tab-delimited file and
Ramon> wondered whether there was a more elegant way to skip an possible
Ramon> header line.
Assuming the header line has descriptive titles, I prefer the DictReader
class. Unfortunately, it requires you to specify the
Thomas> When I edit a Python script with XEmacs, then hit C-c C-c, the
Thomas> script is executed, the output is shown in a *Python Output*
Thomas> buffer, and the cursor is moved into this buffer.
Thomas> How can I change the behaviour so that the cursor stays where it
Thomas
>> Assuming the header line has descriptive titles, I prefer the
>> DictReader class. Unfortunately, it requires you to specify the
>> titles in its constructor. My usual idiom is the following:
Michael> I deal so much with tab-delimited CSV files that I found it
Michael> us
>> I don't find the couple extra lines of code in my original example
>> all that cumbersome to type though.
Michael> If you started about half of the programs you write with those
Michael> extra lines, you might . I'm a strong believer in
Michael> OnceAndOnlyOnce.
You're rig
Thomas> I assume you meant the python-mode project?
Whoops. Yeah. Thanks.
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Egor> i know how to get item by key
...
Egor> but i wonder how to get key by item
Assuming your dictionary defines a one-to-one mapping, just invert it:
>>> forward = {10 : 50, 2 : 12, 4 : 43}
>>> reverse = dict([(v,k) for (k,v) in forward.iteritems()])
>>> print forward
>> That doubles your storage, so you'll have to trade that off against
>> the speed gain of not having to loop over the entire dictionary.
Roy> Well, you *do* loop over the entire dictionary, but you only do it
Roy> once, when you create the reverse dict. If you are only going to
Fredrik> Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> That doubles your storage
Fredrik> careful: it creates another dictionary structure with the same
Fredrik> size as the first one, but it doesn't copy the objects in the
Fredrik> dictionary.
Yes, sorry. The OP
les> suppose I am reading lines from a file or stdin. I want to just
les> "peek" in to the next line, and if it starts with a special
les> character I want to break out of a for loop, other wise I want to
les> do readline().
Create a wrapper around the file object:
class Pee
Tim> Python will do what you tell it. In the above case, it will build a
Tim> list.
Whoops, yeah. I called .iteritems() then forgot to use a generator
expression...
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Ola> If some keys has the same value as the item this will cause
Ola> problems because keys in your result dictionary can be
Ola> overwritten.
That's why I said, "assuming your dictionary defines a one-to-one
mapping...".
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Dan> I also see an 8-10% speed decrease in 2.4 (I built) from 2.3.3
Dan> (shipped w/Fedora2) in the program I'm writing (best of 3 trials
Dan> each). Memory use seems to be about the same.
How do you how the compiler flags were the same if you didn't compile both
versions yourself?
Stephen> {
Stephen> 'one': lambda x:x.blat(),
Stephen> 'two': lambda x:x.blah(),
Stephen> }.get(someValue, lambda x:0)(someOtherValue)
One thing to remember is that function calls in Python are pretty damn
expensive. If x.blat() or x.blah() are themselves only one or two lines
Keith> My personal gripe is this. I think the core language, as of 2.3
Keith> or 2.4 is very good, has more features than most people will ever
Keith> use, and they (Guido, et al.) can stop tinkering with it now and
Keith> concentrate more on the standard libraries.
What keeps you
Craig> IMO the reference behaviour of functions in the C API could be
Craig> clearer. One often has to simply know, or refer to the docs, to
Craig> tell whether a particular call steals a reference or is reference
Craig> neutral. Take, for example, PyDict_SetItemString vs
Crai
>> readability. Pythonic lambdas are just syntactic sugar in practice,
Paul> Actually it's the other way around: it's named functions that are
Paul> the syntactic sugar.
While I'm sure it can be done, I'd hate to see a non-trivial Python program
written with lambda instead of def. (
>> While I'm sure it can be done, I'd hate to see a non-trivial Python
>> program written with lambda instead of def.
Jp> What, like this?
Jp> (lambda r,p,b:...
Jp> OTOH, maybe that's still trivial, it's only a multiuser network
Jp> chat server, after all.
You che
Jp> PyStones may be short (and be nearly lambda free!) but it is one
Jp> opaque blob to me. I'd be hard pressed to rewrite it in any style,
Jp> given its perverse use of global state.
It's written that way on purpose, of course. Pystone is almost a direct
translation of a similar pr
Mike> Perl 6.0 is going to include even more drastic changes. It will
Mike> also include a Perl 5.x interpreter, and will have to be switched
Mike> to 6.0 mode by a magic cookie of some kind in the source. Possibly
Mike> Python 3.0 could do something similar.
-1
Things are compl
Mike> ... or making them old-style classes, which is discouraged.
Since when is use of old-style classes discouraged?
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Dave> While reading the Python Cookbook as a means of learning Python, I
Dave> came across the script by Dave Larosa. Not knowing anything about
Dave> PERL, I was wondering if there were a translation in PERL so I
Dave> could have my Netware servers send heartbeats to the heartbea
Craig> IMO it'd also be very nice to support **kw calling style, ie to
Craig> make:
Craig> cursor.execute("SELECT somerow FROM table WHERE otherrow = %(name)s",
Craig>{'name': 'fred'})
Craig> equivalent to:
Craig> cursor.execute("SELECT somerow FROM table
John> In other words, an anonymous function looks like:
John> {p1, p2, p3 |
John> stmt1
John> stmt2
John> }
John> There are two reasons for using braces. One is that it's the
John> common syntax for blocks in a large number of languages.
Yeah, bu
Ben> I'm unclear on how .pth files work. Some posts imply they can be
Ben> arbitrarily named, as long as they include the .pth extension, and
Ben> can exist anywhere in the current sys.path. Other documentation
Ben> seems to imply that they must be named .pth, although I'm
Be
Johan> Subject says it all, really.
Yes, searching using a compiled regular expression is thread-safe.
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> "Haz" == MyHaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Haz> Teach me how to fish, where would i find out more about the
Haz> internal representations of data types in python
The source.
Experimentally you can use the timeit command to see how it performs:
% for i in 10 20 40 80 160 320 640 1
>> I have a mojam.pth file but no "mojam" package on my server. Works
>> just fine.
Ben> Where does it call home? site-packages?
Yup.
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