Re: p2exe using wine/cxoffice

2005-10-26 Thread Jon Perez
James Stroud wrote: > "better". The only reason I want this functionality is to make my software > available to windoze users--despite their unfortunate ignorance, they are > people too. That's what I always say. Actually, I think it's many unix/linux users who are ignorant of just how nice, stab

Re: Favorite flavor of Linux? (for python or anything else)

2005-12-06 Thread Jon Perez
Ivan Shevanski wrote: > Looking to replace my older flavor of linux with something new. . .What > are some of your favorites for python programming and anything else? Still Slackware for me. Slackware is the 'true' Linux. To paraphrase the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein ad - "Nothing comes between

Re: Most SHAMEFUL one-liner:

2005-12-06 Thread Jon Perez
Jeremy Moles wrote: > I was looking through some code of my today and noticed this little gem > I wrote a few days back that I had totally forgot about: > > fill = [("%%-%ds\n" % (columns - 1)) % " " for i in range(yoffset - 2)] > > ...and then I went on to do: > > "".join(fill) > > Talk about

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Examples of Quality Technical Writing

2005-12-06 Thread Jon Perez
Sherm Pendley wrote: > Xah's a pretty well-known troll in these parts. I suppose he thinks someone > is going to take the bait and rush to "defend" the other languages or some > such nonsense. Actually, I think Xah often has a point, except he can't seem to express it without resorting to profani

Re: Bitching about the documentation...

2005-12-07 Thread Jon Perez
Tony Meyer wrote: > This makes no sense. If you want to complain about Python, try a > Perl list. Why would a list dedicated to discussion about/help with > a language need complaints about the language? Huh?!? Usually people complain because they need help or feel that things can be impro

Re: Bitching about the documentation...

2005-12-07 Thread Jon Perez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > FWIW I find Python's docs to be OK at best, with some horrible > parts, and a lot of mediochre to poor parts. I myself have no big beef about Python's docs, but you're certainly not the first one to complain about them. Xah Lee rants very heavily against the quality ag

Re: Continuations Based Web Framework - Seaside.

2005-01-02 Thread Jon Perez
none wrote: Does Python really need yet another framework? Apart from the intellectual excersise, wouldn't it be nice if Python would get a framework "for the rest of us" (meaning: mere mortals) which would focus upon getting work done in a simple manner instead of creating yet another, new, h

Re: The best way to do web apps with Python?

2005-01-09 Thread Jon Perez
worzel wrote: What is the best way to web developemnt with Python? Is there anything close to PHP style in-page script placement that can create and use other Python objects? Spyce ( http://spyce.sf.net ) is what you're looking for. I was looking exactly for the same thing as you are - a PHP w

Re: a new Perl/Python a day

2005-01-11 Thread Jon Perez
Bob Smith wrote: With terms such as "blabbering Unix donkeys" and "sloppy perl monkeys" I would say that the monkey-mind is indeed one that is enamoured with obfuscation and complicated gadgetry for its own sake. Ever wonder why no one has ever considered using the phrase "Zen of Perl"? (yes, it

Re: Windows GUIs from Python

2005-01-11 Thread Jon Perez
Wow, Venster looks cool and to think I've never heard of it before. I knew following this newsgroup would pay off one day... Luke Skywalker wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:15:36 +0100, Thomas Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, venster. Although it is most certainly alpha. But with some work..

Re: Windows GUIs from Python

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
Still, what I think would appeal to a lot of people (although they might not know it yet) as a GUI solution for Python is Mozilla XUL with all the RDF and XPCOM crap surgically removed from it. If you've ever tried a couple of basic XUL tutorials, I think you would be convinced that XUL is an even

Re: Python.org, Website of Satan

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
This would be funny except for the fact that there are actually people out there who will take this seriously. http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html Don't forget Python == Snake == Serpent == ... ;-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > python.org = 194.109.137.226 > > 194 + 109 + 137 + 226 = 666 > > What is

Re: Another look at language comparisons

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
Max M wrote: Jan Dries wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there is hope for Python, as Guido has recently been seen with a beard :-) http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/12/08/-big/IMG_3061.jpg LOL, he is working on linux, isn't he? So it was about bloody time. Guido Van Rossum is now wor

Re: "Architecture of Python" was removed ?

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
Skip Montanaro wrote: Yes, perhaps. Note that it doesn't appear that the Wayback Machine contains the meat of the essay, just the front page. It came from a wiki. Perhaps Most of the text seems to be there, but there are some critical diagrams (images) which the Wayback Machine did not archive.

Re: Another look at language comparisons

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
Anyone know of a cached copy where the photos are present? The whole thing makes little sense with the photos gone. Pierre Quentel wrote: http://khason.biz/blog/2004/12/why-microsoft-can-blow-off-with-c.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Another look at language comparisons

2005-01-12 Thread Jon Perez
Terry Reedy wrote: It would hardly make more sense with the photos. The photos would be graphic evidence and would make it more entertaining to read through. "Not the law is clear? There is a beard - there is a success. There is no beard - you are guilty. " Terry J. Reedy And what about the moust

Re: Integration with java (Jpype vs. JPE)

2005-01-15 Thread Jon Perez
Can someone summarize in a nutshell what is the difference between JPype and JPE? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Producer/consumer Queue "trick"

2005-01-15 Thread Jon Perez
I don't get it. If the consumer and the producer are separate threads, why does the consumer thread block when the producer thread is generating a new board? Or why does it take forever for the producer thread to be pre-empted? Also, I don't understand why the solution works. How does sleeping for

Re: huygens lands on titan

2005-01-17 Thread Jon Perez
I sure as hell bet it didn't too. Fuzzyman wrote: John Thingstad wrote: -- huygens lands on titan Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ I bet it didn't... Regards, Fuzzy http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/p

Re: Python vs. Perl

2004-12-13 Thread Jon Perez
Michael McGarry wrote: I intend to use a scripting language for GUI development and front end code for my simulations in C. I want a language that can support SQL, Sockets, File I/O, and shell interaction. In my experience, Python is definitely much more suitable than Perl for the first four area

Re: lies about OOP

2004-12-16 Thread Jon Perez
projecktzero wrote: A co-worker considers himself "old school" in that he hasn't seen the light of OOP.(It might be because he's in love with Perl...but that's another story.) He thinks that OOP has more overhead and is slower than programs written the procedural way. The problem with OOP is not o

Re: PHP vs. Python (speed-wise comparison)

2004-12-27 Thread Jon Perez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know which is faster? I'm a PHP programmer but considering getting into Python ... did searches on Google but didn't turn much up on this. Thanks! Stephen If you're talking about usage as a server side scripting language, then PHP will likely give better page servin

putting the output of a print statement into a string

2005-03-27 Thread Jon Perez
There are objects whose repr() is not the same as what gets printed out when you apply the print statement to them. Usually these are complex objects like exceptions. Example: >>> import smtplib >>> server=smtplib.SMTP("smtp.yourisp.com") >>> try: server.sendmail("[EMAIL PROTECTED]",

Re: putting the output of a print statement into a string

2005-03-27 Thread Jon Perez
Thanks, man! That was one fast reply... Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Perez wrote: > > >>Question: >> >>Is there a way to somehow put the output of 'print exc_obj' into >>a string? > > > Ther

Re: Indentation/whitespace

2006-01-11 Thread Jon Perez
Joe wrote: > Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous > whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a > feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be > sufficient. Nope never. Because that would destroy one of the most importa

Re: Indentation/whitespace

2006-01-11 Thread Jon Perez
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >>>Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous >>>whitespace rules? > > > Of course. > > I estimate it will take around 1 to 2 years from now, until this > whitespace-concept will become optionally. > > Backwards-compatibility will be kept, thus

Re: Indentation/whitespace

2006-01-11 Thread Jon Perez
thakadu wrote: > While I have no doubt that there are lousy browsers out there, the > problem is not only with browsers, but also I agree with you its not > Python's fault. The issue is that the code I am pasting may have used a > DIFFERENT indentation scheme, so lets say I used four spaces and th

Re: Indentation/whitespace

2006-01-14 Thread Jon Perez
Joe wrote: > As for me, I'm not suggesting that braces are better than indentation. > In fact, requiring indentation is a good idea, and I agree that braces > can be quite ugly. It is the lack of visible block closing when there's > more than one level that I dislike. > ... I'm talking about doub