s on the tricky aspects of 'super' you may be interested in.
Michele Simionato
Wouldn't you use it to access the overridden version
of a static method?
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the language definition. That defines both 'in' and 'is'
as equality operators, and defines exactly what a chain
of equality operators means.
In this case, it means:
(0 in l) and (l is False)
The and short circuits, giving the result of False without
ever doing the final compa
y effective? While I don't know Smalltalk,
the ones I do know indicate that they liked that environment
very much.
However, this might have real problems with the dangling
references issue. Or maybe not: there may be ways of
redesigning the function object so that you can replace
the embedde
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tb2.PrintHello()
Shouldn't this be tb.PrintHello() ?
[snip]
Any help will be much appreciated!
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Try comp.object.
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I'd start here.
A co-worker considers himself "old school" in that he hasn't seen the
li
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seems quite interesting and has the potential
to avoid having to learn several different languages in order
to do builds, as well as the possibility to scale well.
Martin Fowler has this to say on the subject:
http://martinfowler.com/bliki/BuildLanguage.html
Besides, it's in pure Python.
John
have limited precision.
Rationals can be converted to floats by float(rational), and to
integers by int(rational).
If this is the case, then there is no reason to have a separate
member operation to convert rationals to decimal. Consistency
says to do it the same way for all similar operations.
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stly useful in a style
of programming that's quite foreign to the way
Python wants to be programmed.
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n-aware editors handle
the situation reasonably, although you may have
to set parameters.
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lt setting without complaining. Otherwise
it should complain.
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ility into the program to
substitute for not having type information, and
I found that it was incredibly useful for other
things that you can't get from reflection on
type data.
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One of the comments on Artima asks a rather profound
question: static typing is an answer. What's the question?
(That's a paraphrase.)
The answer that everyone seems to give
l doesn't combine with Float either.
It should be both or neither.
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f Rational to be able to easily access _n
and _d.
I'd suggest making them public rather than either protected or
private. There's a precident with the complex module, where
the real and imaginary parts are exposed as .real and .imag.
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Thanks again for your work!
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simply
wrong. Since mutating the object didn't change
the id, it shouldn't try to replace the object in
the tuple.
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g floating point string
representations.
How would that work? I though the divide would be
evaluated before the function call, resulting in an exception
(strings don't implement the / operator).
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allow it
to be used as a dictionary key. That was their choice,
and I pretty much agree with it.
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I think that's a good summary. The condensed
version is that the results of both __hash__() and
__cmp__() have to remain stable for dicts to work
as one would expect. __cmp__ doesn't do that
for lists, and it isn't defined by default for user
objects.
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lists (operands) and subscripts/slices (operators).
Braces ({}) are used for dictionarys (operands). They aren't
currently used for unary operators.
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Please enlighten me as I really want to know.
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t pointing arrow would be a vast
improvement over the equal sign for assignment, for example.
There wouldn't be any chance of mixing it up with the double
equal for comparisons. The same thing goes for multiplication
and division. We've allowed ourselves to be limited by the
ASCII character set for so long that improving that seems to be
outside of most people's boxes.
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lexer and parser,
which currently isn't set up to shift from expression
back to statement mode and then return to expression
mode.
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The syntax I prefer (and I don't know if it's actually been
suggested before) is to use braces, that is { and }.
In other words, an anonymous function looks like:
{p1, p2,
onality.
Most applications don't require that kind of mess.
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I'm new to Python, I've read the FAQ but still can't get the following
simple example working:
# file m
I had this problem recently. It turned out that something
had encoded a unicode string into utf-8. When I found
the culprit and fixed the underlying design issue, it went away.
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On the other hand, it saves me an awful lot of hassle; it's one less thing
to have to get into my head.
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lass from globals() and make instance.
Use the getattr() function.
But How can
I import all "ExtClass?.py"? Where should I write these import codes?
If you want to import all the names in a module, look in the module's
__dict__. That's not recommended, however.
If you want to im
Look up "Aspect Oriented Programming" and Python.
You should find several packages that can do this,
together with discussions of how to make cuts and all
that fun stuff. The feeling of power is very heady - until
you have to maintain the resulting mess.
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nd there won't be one unless Guido
changes his mind, and that's quite unlikely.
There are a number of workarounds; the most
used one seems to be based on a feature of the
'and' and 'or' operators. I believe Pep 308 has
a summary of the different ways you can do it,
ntain the tools to do just
about anything you need for error reporting. Also there
is a logger module somewhere so you can put the stuff
somewhere permanent if you want.
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ify other information that must be present,
there are a limited number of exchanges, and the number of
shares seems to be the only number present.
I'd also take a bit of advice from the XP community: don't
write the library first, wait until you've got at least three
working examples so you know the services that the
library really needs to support.
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In Python what is equivalent to goto statement
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mething that concerns me overmuch. I don't really worry
about a few extra keystrokes; just a whole lot of extra
keystrokes.
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as a single raw literal. You'd have to do something
> string like
> a = r"strange\literal\with\some\stuff" + "\\"
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> My understanding is that no valid regex ends with a backslash, so this
> may not affect you.
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Dave's answer is excellent background. I've snipped everything except
the part I want to emphasize, which is to use raw strings. They were
put into Python specifically for your problem: that is, how to avoid
the double and triple backslashes while writing regexes.
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erns book is in the discussion of what the pattern is good for,
and what it isn't good for. That is, as another poster says, language
agnostic.
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version program.
Most of the rest of the changes seem to be either forward
compatable or easily handable by a conversion program.
The change in the raise statement, for example, can
be handled right now.
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able? The same issue applies to staticmethods as well.
These are all new since pyUnit (renamed to unittest for inclusion
into the standard library) was written. My viewpoint is that it's a
feature that's looking for a use case.
As I intimated above, my current practice is to not use th
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Uh, guys. IMO, the clearest way of writing this is:
if key not in schema.elements:
whatever...
Unless, of course, your code has to run in a
Python release earlier than 2.2. But then you
wouldn't be testing for the False object anyway.
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release requires Python 2.3, and 2.4 will be
required in the next year or so.
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ime. It's
there strictly to guide the compiler in how to compile
byte strings.
The default encoding at run time is ascii unless
it's been set to something else, which is why the
error message specifies ascii.
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ication and centralizing your
code!
For your other question: the general words
are localization and locale. Look up locale in
the index. It's a strange subject which I don't
know much about, but that should get you
started.
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check that case by
case, preferably with consultation with
your code's clients.
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oblems. I've already seen one proposal,
and there will undoubtedly be others. If any of them fly, they'll
probably be folded into the base in a few years, and that will
diminish the ease of use / large project divide between the
two languages.
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eate
new control structures with short circuit semantics.
And that's one example.
I saw the "make" statement as a breath of fresh air.
Then it got shot down for what were, to me, totally
trivial reasons. That's a second one.
Sigh.
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exact
order in which things happen and when each object is initialized and
shows up in the respective module's namespace.
The general rule is: don't do that. It doesn't work, and the
hoops you have to go through to force it to work are so
complex and bizzare that they're n
ure may become part of Python?
Optional static typing is listed as item # 3 in
PEP 3100 (Python 3.0 plans).
For a timeline, look at PEP 3000.
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into the
manual every time to find it.
I wouldn't call it a bug though. I'd call it an
example of pedantry over usability.
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't seem to be in PEP 3099, so I suppose the
issue is still open.
If there was a simple way of using a compiler or language switch
in C++ that said: "use garbage collector", then the inherent speed
advantage of compiled over interpreted would come through. As it is,
C++
simpl
ing a list of my
real parameters as a single parameter is, in most
circumstances, easier and IMO clearer.
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s mandated in the unicode standard. If
it doesn't have a BOM, then try ascii and
utf-8 in that order. The first
one that succeeds is correct. If neither succeeds,
you're on your own in guessing the file encoding.
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fast.
The same goes for both Java and the CLR (IronPython).
I believe there are plans to subset the JVM in the
2.7 release, but I have my doubts whether that will reduce
the JVM footprint as far as running Jython is concerned.
The intention is to reduce the initial footprint for runing the
JVM under a browser.
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Python 3000". It says: "The parser won't be more
complex than LL(1)." He does not want to start down
the slippery slope that leads to certain unnamed
languages such as Perl.
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e
boolean results. Since bool is a subclass of int,
all the integer operations will remain integer
operations. This was done for backwards
compatability, and is unlikely to change in the 2.x
series.
I don't remember if this is supposed to change
in 3.0. See PEP 3100 and 3099.
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Saizan wrote:
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> > The not operator and the bool() builtin produce
> > boolean results. Since bool is a subclass of int,
> > all the integer operations will remain integer
> > operations. This was done for backwards
> > compatability,
ng the string
is going to be in various encodings.
That's easy enough to do today - just encode the
darn thing and use len(). I don't see any reason
to expand the language to support a data base
product that goes out of its way to make it difficult
for developers.
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s?
Yes. The topic "The standard Type Hierarchy" in the
Language reference specifies this exactly.
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attribute of the class. If all you care about is
instance methods (which is all I care about
at the moment), they're just ordinary functions.
Do an isinstance and you've got it.
If you want to dig deeper and look at class
methods, static methods, descriptors and
other stuff, it's a bit more complicated, but
not much.
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s a PEP for 3.0 for yet
a third library. And guess what? Neither of them
uses an operator.
> Python Culture says: 'Explicit is better than implicit'. May it be
> related to this?
It's more "there should be one, and preferably
only one, obvious way to do something."
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ts aren't, although most of
them can be subclassed. There is actually a
decent example of where this is useful: see the
rSpec language where they put a method named
"should" directly on object, for good reason.
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ing on your program logic, it
may be easier to just use iter() and
handle the exception if it fails.
See PEP 234 for a discussion of the
reasons for doing it this way.
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ther point of view, the mechanism can even improve
> the backward compatibility of Python 3000 for example by
> embeding the Python 2.x interpreter inside and recognition
> of the modules written for Python 2.x language version.
> The oldness of the legacy module could be recognized by
> the Python 3000 interpreter and the module could be passed
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> code.
PEP 3099 - Things that will not change in Python 3000 says:
Python will not have programmable syntax.
It seems Guido has made up his mind.
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e on the left,
and use the ending parenthesis to get to the last line:
(top, ip1, ip2, ip3, ip4, messageCounter, ackRequired, dataType,
utc1,
utc2, utc3, utc4, utc5, utc6, utc7, utc8, utc9, utc10, utc11,
utc12, st1,
st2, st3, st4, st5, st6, numberOfLabels, dataWord
) = struct.unpack("!H4BH20BHI", strMessage)
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ve is a mandatory tie
to function/method syntax.
Combined with a convention to identify which annotation
belongs to who, it could be a quite useful mechanism.
I, for one, have no difficulty with the notion of using someone
else's annotations if I can identify them unambiguously.
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;t a current Python implementation that I'm
aware of, although I'm thinking of it as a next project.
> Thanks for the feedback from everyone so far,
I stripped the comment about syntax from this
response because I want to address it separately.
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y have one in any
module, class or method. This means you can't always
put them where you want them, that is, close to the
item that they're annotating. Parenthetically, I'd note that
adding docstring capabilities to properties was a definite
step forward.
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on. That
niche is better handled by module level functions. You can use real
static methods with new style classes, using the staticmethod built
in function. However, you can't reference class variables with
static methods - you should use class methods to do that. See the
Python libra
27;s a niche approach: it works well for
FIT's purposes, but it's not a general purpose method
of estimating precision throughout a lengthy calculation.
That requires quite different techniques.
See:
fit.c2.com
www.fitnesse.org
FitNesse Yahoo mailing list (see the files section for PyFit.)
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etc.
I'd check swap space, and then balance redesigning the
application to not try to get large blocks of memory with
spending money on more hardware memory that might not
solve the problem.
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le bit of scripting goes a long way. Sometimes trying to make an
existing tool do something that it's not really right for distorts the
entire
process, rather than simplifies it.
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st that they enter it as -mm-dd next time.
I don't validate separators. As long as there is something that isn't a
number or a letter, it's a separator and which one doesn't matter. At
times I've even taken the transition between a digit and a letter as
a separator.
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a statement, and then insert a test to make
sure that the actual environment matches the expected environment.
If it doesn't, it goes back to interpretation for that code segment.
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e useful when I want to import a class from
a module, and don't want to import the module itself or a lot of bits and
pieces from the module. The class gives a place to park the method, and
also lets you use inheritance, neither of which putting it into the module
does.
John Rot
ling with a highly dynamic environment;
inspection of the single source module will not tell you enough to
make this distinction.
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world's best practice,
but that's another subject.)
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all of the real languages out there. Something I heard from one of the
people who invented XML is that it originally started out as case
insensitive, and they had quite an extensive discussion about it. When they
made it case sensitive, one of the basic tools sped up by a factor of three.
well ...
Unfortunately, it's also the standard installation engine, so there's
no getting around it if you want to be consistent with what everyone
else is doing and future enhancements to the installation process
through the Python Package Index, eggs and a lot of other
stuff that's coming down the pike.
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languages, they aren't...
Not quite. None, True and False are upper case.
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f error, then:
int(float(numIn) * 100.0)
should do the trick.
If you can't, and the numbers are guaranteed to have a decimal point,
this (untested) could do what you want:
aList = numIn.split(".")
result int(aList[0]) * 100 + int(aList[1][:2])
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elif cls in self.oper_types:
left = self._safeAssemble(node.left)
right = self._safeAssemble(node.right)
if type(left) == type(1.0j) or type(right) == type(1.0j):
return self.oper_types[cls](left, right)
else:
raise FitExcep
PyUnit came with a GUI, which is not part of the
unittest version in the standard library.
I don't know whether the GUI from PyUnit still
works with the version of unittest in the standard
library, but other than that, there is no reason to
maintain the PyUnit branch.
John Roth
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xistance.
Also some people use other words than self. (It would,
by the way, result in a performance improvement.)
2. There's been some talk of making the '.' operator allow an
implied instance. I'm not sure what the status of this is.
These two are actually separate issue
so, disable them and see if the problem persists.
I certainly don't see it with PythonWin and Firefox. Of course,
neither is the latest version, and I have no Firefox extensions.
John Roth
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a Unicode escape.
The result is a Unicode string containing a single Unicode character.
In the second example,
he's passing a Unicode string to eval(), which string contains
a ***normal*** string that contains a Unicode escape. The
Unicode escape produces two characters. The result is a
***normal*** string that contains two characters.
Is this your problem?
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rectory. It's almost usable as is; I had to tweak
it just a little for what I wanted it to do.
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t impractical to use it the
way I usually use it.
And as Peter said, please cut and paste the complete output, including
the command you entered. Thanks.
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Could you please expand the BLT acronym. For
the life of me, the only thing I associate it with is
a Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato sandwich, and I'm
sure that's not what you meant.
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in front of the word MUST is a "smart quote", that is a
curly quote, and it is not a valid character in either ASCII or
Latin-1. Use Windows-1252 explicitly, and it should render
properly. Alternatively use UTF-8, as one of the other posters
suggested. Then it's up to whatever software yo
he reason for the
statement is that the feature was motivated by the numerics package,
which has a number of special requirements, floating point exceptional
values only being one. Read the PEP.
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ion is simple chicken squaking, but write
the PEP anyway. I'd suggest tightening it to say that if __eq__ is
defined, and if neither __ne__ nor __cmp__ is defined, then use
__eq__ and return the negation if and only if the result of __eq__
is a boolean. Otherwise raise the current exception.
I wouldn't suggest the reverse, though. Defining __ne__ and not
defining __eq__ is simply perverse.
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without having to design them up front. Doesn't always happen, but it does
often enough to be really gratifying.
The Python library contains a module named unittest which is the Python
equivalent of JUnit etc. I normally run my test suite out of a command line
that I keep open while I'm working. I think PyDev in Eclipse has support
for it, but since I don't use that I'm not at all sure.
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> and so it goes . . .
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> from random import randint
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> def idxLargest(list, n):
>idxMx = 0
>
>for i in range(1, n, 1):
>
>if list[i] > list[idxMx]:
>idxMx = i
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>return idx
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> I tried python, and do like it. Easy to learn and read (at least for the
> commonly used part), has a very large community so great doc and
> contributions, and... the design is clean. I come from functional
> p
AJAX, expecially with Google using very script heavy applications
for all of their new work. It leads to very responsive web applications.
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add them to the suite manually. That
has the advantage that one could then select classes according
to some parameter.
John Roth
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> Something like:
>
> import unittest
> import test_foo
> import test_bar
>
> if __name__ == "__main__":
> unittest.m
ease use spaces
for indentation. There are a number of popular mail
clients that don't play fair with tabs, and people using
these clients will frequently ignore code that isn't
properly indented.
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r comment typically
> is found in the w*ndows world where everyone is forced into using word
> :-)
This dead horse has been beaten into a pulp many times. People
with newsreaders and mail clients that don't play fair with tabs are
not going to change; snide remarks will only reflect on the person
making the remark.
The major problem is IE, although I've seen other newsreaders
and mail clients do the same thing. Also, I don't even have Word
on my Windows system; I use Open Office. Being "forced" to
use Word is a choice.
John Roth
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That is the default.
As far as I can tell, there are actually two defaults, which tends
to confuse things. One is used whenever a unicode to 8-bit
conversion is needed on output to stdout, stderr or similar;
that's usually Latin-1 (or whatever the installation has set up.)
The other is used wh
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>>> That is the default.
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, there are actually two defaults, which tends
>> to confuse things.
>
>
iculty you're having with this is that else
is a very bad keyword for this particular construct.
I'd prefer something like "on normal exit" as
a keyword.
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