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r0g wrote:
> It seems gethostbyname asks the OS to resolve the address and the OS
> uses it's own timeout value ( 25 seconds ) rather than the one provided
> in setdefaulttimeout. 25 seconds of blocking is way too long for me, I
> want the response within 5 seconds or not at all but I can see no
News123 wrote:
> MRAB wrote:
>> News123 wrote:
>>> r wrote:
more *maybe useful dump?
>>> for i in dev.Items:
for p in i.Properties:
if not p.IsReadOnly:
print p.Name, '->', p.Value
[..]
> The main question is the correct python method to chan
"W. eWatson" wrote:
> Yikes. Thanks very much. Python seems to act unlike other language in
> which words like float are reserved. I'll use asum.
The problem is that there is a function sum and you creating a float sum:
sum = 0.0
and
mean = sum(hist)
even if both could exist side by side it
Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> Is there a specific library used for displaying up to date consoles in
> the same way top behaves?
No experience but I am quite sure that curses behaves like that.
http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/curses/
via http://www.google.com/search?q=python%20curses
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f...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
> There's a json parsing library in 2.6. (Sadly, 2.6 is not out for
> Ubuntu yet.)
Python 2.6.2 (release26-maint, Apr 19 2009, 01:56:41)
[GCC 4.3.3] on linux2
on Ubuntu 9.04
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"K. Richard Pixley" wrote:
> Does anyone have this combination working?
>
> And if so, which version of ubuntu and what did you have to do to get it
> to work?
I run Ubuntu 8.10 and use Emacs to code Python (mostly 2.5.x but I've done
some small Python 3). What has Emacs to do with it?
John
Stef Mientki wrote:
> There's also a Python site, were projects are submitted that needs
> something ( some even pay a little),
> but I can't remember where it is :-(
OP: A Python program to find it :D
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Mark Summerfield writes:
> It is available as a free PDF download (no registration or anything)
> from InformIT's website. Here's the direct link:
> http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/imprint_downloads/informit/promotions/python/python2python3.pdf
Thanks!
> And of course, if you want more on Python
Mark Summerfield writes:
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>> Mark Summerfield writes:
>> > It is available as a free PDF download (no registration or anything)
>> > from InformIT's website. Here's the direct link:
>> >http://ptgmedia.pearso
was considering giving it a go one of these days. Not a good
> idea?
If you have no problem with coding projects that take 80 hours and have
a budget of 200 USD...
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profusion of provider formats.
Yup, and there is no other solution to that than to convert them to
something universal.
> Yes, having been programming since I was in middle-school (quick
> calculation yields a "boy I'm old" estimate of about 20 years...does
> anybody miss 3
overview of modules.
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building too long)
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r version (2.x) and have no
problem at all recommending the Python 3 edition. You can read/download it
here: http://diveintopython3.org/
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or such a service.
[1] really small stuff is 15 USD in books but everything above that is
multiples of 35 USD/books. It's a nice way to create a library of
technical books that way, while leaving plenty of room for books for
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I do get work
that way.
Besides, I do also very small things in exchange for (technical) books.
It might take you at least a year or so to get sufficient traffic, but
if you blog more (than I on Perl) on Python you and keep updating your
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Like for starters setting a follow-up to header, especially if you spam
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result= eval(self.filter)
> if result:
> ...
>
> How do I get the result value I require when events have the same
> names like above?
You have to keep track if you're inside a filters section, and keep
track of the filter elements (first, second, etc.) assuming you want the
result value of the first filter.
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> On Jan 11, 7:26 pm, John Bokma wrote:
>> amadain writes:
>> > > > uniqueId="1261
ta...@mongo.net (tanix) writes:
> Sorry to tell you, but I studied Google architecture in sufficient
> detail to say what I am saying.
http://groups.google.com/groups?lnk=hpsg&q=group%3Acomp.lang.python%20pyparsing
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Paul Rubin writes:
> John Bokma writes:
>>> Why EVER make anything yourself when you can buy it?
>>
>> Do you make your own processors? Your own hard disk drives?
>> Why not?
>
> Well, if you try to make your own processors or hard drives, worst
> normal
Anthra Norell writes:
> Why EVER make anything yourself when you can buy it?
Do you make your own processors? Your own hard disk drives?
Why not?
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You might want to do:
sudo easy_install -U "BeautifulSoup==3.0.7a"
and try again.
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John Nagle writes:
>It's just somebody pirating movies. Ineptly. Ignore.
Wow, what a childish reply. You should've followed your own advice and
ignored the OP instead of replying with a top post + full quote (!).
-
John Bokma writes:
> yamamoto writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am new to Python. I'd like to extract "a" tag from a website by
>> using "beautifulsoup" module.
>> but it doesnt work!
>
> [..]
>
>> check_for_whole_start_tag
>>
BarryJOgorman writes:
> class Person:
> def _init_(self, name, job=None, pay=0):
def __init__(self, name, job=None, pay=0):
Note 2x _ before and after init.
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r think maybe there are even more tools to
> generally help.
on the command prompt:
cmd | more
works
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/Content.plist'
What does:
ls -l Data/Content.plist
in the terminal give?
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version.
If I am happy with how it looks, I do
ant upload
Ant makes several things really easy. The things I do with it would take
me more lines in either Perl or Python. So I use Perl (or Python) when
it makes things easier, and ant to glue everything together if that's
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"Alf P. Steinbach" writes:
> * John Bokma:
>> "Alf P. Steinbach" writes:
>>
>>> Please don't post more noise and ad hominem attacks to the group,
>>> Steve.
>>
>> Funny that you talk about noise while replying yourself to no
at a time.
Post to on-topic groups only, really on-topic groups, not as many as you
can select. And participate like you know do, and nobody will complain
about /how/ you post. And if you cross-post /set a follow-up-to/.
That's ne
ython 3.1
wow: so much for human readable file names :-(
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MRAB writes:
> Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> * John Bokma:
>>> MRAB writes:
>>>
>>>> The PEP has a .pyr directory for each .py file:
>>>>
>>>> foo.py
>>>> foo.pyr/
>>>> f2b30a0d.pyc # Pyth
Based on the magic numbers I've seen so far it looks like that not an
option. They increment with every minor change. So to me, at this moment
(and maybe it's my ignorance) it looks like a made up example to justify
what to me still looks like a bad decision.
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Kyp writes:
> Is there a way to get the first X # of files from a dir with lots of
> files, that does not take a long time to run?
Assuming Linux: what does time
ls thedir | head
give?
with thedir the name of the actual dir
Also how many is many files?
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braces example but can't with
this one.
if x:
if y:
foo()
else:
bar()
While braces might be considered redundant they are not when for one
reason or another formatting is lost or done incorrectly.
FWIW: I have no problem with how Python d
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:08 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> An editor can correct the indenting of the braces example but can't with
>> this one.
>>
>> if x:
>> if y:
>> foo()
>> else:
>&g
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:08 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> An editor can correct the indenting of the braces example but can't with
>> this one.
>>
>> if x:
>> if y:
>> foo()
>> else:
>&g
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:47:42 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:08 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>>>
>>>> An editor can correct the indenting of the brac
iated with key of hash ref. by bar
$bar = \&foo; # bar contains now a reference to a sub
$bar->( 45 ); # call sub ref. by bar with 45 as an argument
Consistent: yes. New syntax? No.
Also, it helps to think of
$ as a thing
@ as thingies indexed by numbers
% as thingies i
me of the book that was used, but it was quite good IMO).
I want to start (re)learning Haskell later this year, because I liked
Miranda/Gofer a lot back then.
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IMO, that keeps people
away from a language, because you can't feel nothing but a failure after
a statement like this.
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Jonathan Gardner writes:
> On Feb 1, 6:36 pm, John Bokma wrote:
[..]
>> It should be $bar = \&foo
>> Your example actually calls foo...
>
> I rest my case. I've been programming perl professionally since 2000,
> and I still make stupid, newbie mistakes lik
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:11:49 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>>
>>> I can explain, in an hour, every single feature of the Python language
>>> to an experienced programmer, all the way up to metaclasses
John Bokma writes:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:11:49 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>>>
>>>> I can explain, in an hour, every single feature of the Python language
>>>
to do on IRC? Copy paste line by line one of your "fine" articles,
followed by a link to your site. And what the hell were you doing,
asking a Python question in #python? Shouldn't that be asked the Xah way
in #perl or #lisp?
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uch an IDE in the Synthesizer Generator, but I have no idea
if it's still available. And back when I used it (at university) one had
to pay for it, and most likely was closed source as well.
See also: http://www.google.com/search?q=synthesizer%20generator
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/some extent/ and editor can do analyses, if it
does compilation as well (and even runs the code, but the latter is not
always desirable). I mentioned the Synthesizer Generator before, which
can do compilation on the fly, if you implement it (or if it has been
implemented for the language you edit wi
mk writes:
> The application will display (elaborate) financial charts.
>
> Pygame? Smth else?
You might want to check out the book "Beginning Python
Visualisation".
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Phlip writes:
> John Bokma wrote:
>
>> my $x = ( 5, "hello", sub {}, [], {} )[ int rand 5 ];
>>
>> what's $x? The answer is: it depends.
>
> That's why my blog post advocated (as usual for me) developer tests.
> Then you either mock the rand,
.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_editor
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=358746.358755
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tabase and
> Django as UI.
You might check out articles that mention the Synthesizer Generator, etc.
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cis?q=synthesizer+generator&cs=1
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cis?q=structure+editor&cs=1
The idea is not new (at leas
Jonathan Gardner writes:
> On Feb 2, 9:11 pm, John Bokma wrote:
>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>> > I can explain, in an hour, every single feature of the Python language
>> > to an experienced programmer, all the way up to metaclasses,
>>
>> Either you&
oth reading/writing data and for
debugging purposes (YAML is quite human readable, for programmers at least)
Of course there is also YAML support for Python:
http://pyyaml.org/.
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t easy to guess, and
expire. And make very sure that session ids can't leak to others.
Moreover, each time you modify a database use POST. One could argue to
also use POST for logging out, otherwise another site might be able to
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"Diez B. Roggisch" writes:
> Am 03.02.10 19:11, schrieb John Bokma:
>> Alan Harris-Reid writes:
>>
>>> I have a web-page where each row in a grid has edit/delete buttons to
>>> enable the user to maintain a selected record on another page. The
>
"Diez B. Roggisch" writes:
> Am 04.02.10 01:42, schrieb John Bokma:
[..]
>> Maybe you should think about what happens if someone posts:
>> http://example.com/item_delete?id=123";> to a popular forum...
>
> And the difference to posting
>
> from ur
Marius Gedminas writes:
> On Feb 4, 1:03 am, John Bokma wrote:
>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>> > I can explain all of Python in an hour;
>>
>> OK, in that case I would say give it a go. Put it on YouTube, or write a
>> blog post about it (or post it her
Lou Pecora writes:
> In article <87eil1ddjp.fsf...@castleamber.com>,
> John Bokma wrote:
>
>> Lou Pecora writes:
>>
>> > That's a pretty accurate description of how I transitioned to Python
>> > from C and Fortran.
>>
>> No
Marius Gedminas writes:
> On Feb 4, 1:03 am, John Bokma wrote:
>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>> > I can explain all of Python in an hour;
>>
>> OK, in that case I would say give it a go. Put it on YouTube, or write a
>> blog post about it (or post it her
ntation#LoadingYAML
yaml.safe_load however, limits to simple Python objects and Python
objects you mark as safe.
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umed that
> sys.argv was an ordinary list which you can modify at will, but having
> been caught out on faulty assumptions before, I would try it and see
> before commenting publicly.
I guess that Terry means that a solution that makes it possible to
specify in IDLE *outside* of the Python code the arguments would be
better. Hardcoding the command line arguments isn't something I would do
for testing.
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John Bokma writes:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:28:17 -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
>>
>>> Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2010 3:55 PM, Alan Biddle wrote:
>>>>> Just finishing my first Python (2.6 on Win XP) p
Tim Chase writes:
> Gabriel Genellina wrote:
>> En Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:46:52 -0300, John Bokma
>>
>>> Oops, that should've been Steve, my apologies.
>>
>> See http://bugs.python.org/issue5680
>
> Am I the only one that expected that issue to b
ot to the construct method.
__init__ is *not* the construction method, __new__ is (at least with new
style classes)
> Is there some kind of built in I'm missing here?
I guess __new__ but I am quite the newbie.
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e
used TextPad for ages, and it can be configured to hard tab 8 (might
even be the default [1]).
[1] With Perl coding I configured it to indent 4 spaces, hard tab 4
spaces and convert hard tabs to 4 spaces while saving, so no surprises.
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as advantage (or disadvantage) that you can
set the variable at the CLI and see the output the browser could get.
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r running this code:
>
> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip'
Wild guess, since you didn't provide line numbers, etc.
foo4 is None
(I also would like to suggest to use more meaningful names)
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e 210, in retrieve
url = unwrap(toBytes(url))
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/urllib.py", line 1009, in unwrap
url = url.strip()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip'
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To
.
Sadly, often bold statements about a language are made in ignorance.
[1] perl is the program that executes Perl programs ;-).
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XML and a suitable stylesheet might give you the
nicest looking result though (but quite some work).
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Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:39:30 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
[..]
>> If it was Perl [1], I doubt it. Because line numbers are reported, and
>> if that doesn't help you, you can annotate anonymous functions with a
>> nick name using
>
ficult to read and
> understand, even for experienced Lispers. I am pleased that Python is
> not following Lisp in that regard.
>
> for n in range(1,6):
^ should be 7
But for the rest, I agree with you. I can read
John Bokma writes:
> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>
>> On Feb 18, 8:15 am, Steve Howell wrote:
>>>
>>> def print_numbers()
>>> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6].map { |n|
>>> [n * n, n * n * n]
>>> }.reject {
nguages.
Heh! When I learned Miranda it felt natural to me. Prolog on the other
hand...
In short: I am afraid you're overgeneralizing here; it depends on one's
background. If not, citation needed ;-)
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Jonathan Gardner writes:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, John Bokma wrote:
>> Jonathan Gardner writes:
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Lie Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now, why don't we start a PEP to make python a fully-functional language
&g
gt; Windows 7 has symbolic links?
Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application
compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented
its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links.
:
Symbolic links are available in NTFS starting with Win
Grant Edwards writes:
> On 2010-02-22, John Bokma wrote:
>> Gib Bogle writes:
>>
>>> MRAB wrote:
>>>> W. eWatson wrote:
>>>>> Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It
>>>>> inspects the contents of files in
oolwaterheaters.com/downloads/6510413.pdf'
response = urllib2.urlopen(url)
fh = open('adobe.pdf', 'wb')
fh.write(response.read())
fh.close()
response.close()
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; would assume you were moving the contents of AX into BX.
Eh? It's a bad comment, it's of the same quality as:
> x = x + 1 # Add one to x.
You think the former is good because (I guess) you are not familiar with
the language. The same reason why beginne
a piece of code that requires a
comment on every line unless one can guess its meaning.
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you for throw-away code. Use Python for the
> code you want to keep (and read and understand later).
Amusing how long those Python toes can be. In several replies I have
noticed (often clueless) opinions on Perl. When do people learn that a
language is
that matter.
> I've written lots of both Python and Perl and sometimes, for
> one-off's, Perl is quicker; if you know it.
>
> I sure don't want to maintain Perl applications though; even ones I've
> written.
Ouch, I am afra
s,6
>
> I am new to python and xml and it would be great to see some slick
> ways of achieving the above by using python's XML capabilities to
> parse the original file or python's regex to achive what I did using
> sed.
It's not clear how your XML actually looks, but (
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:27:04 -0600, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> When do people learn that a
>> language is just a tool to do a job?
>
> When do people learn that there are different sorts of tools? A
> professional wouldn't use
an setuptools. AFAIK the python
>> community has developed nothing like it.
>
> python have easy_install
How easy is it to /remove/ something? ;-) (Last time I checked I read
something like "manually remove the .egg"...
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John Gabriele writes:
> On Mar 2, 11:58 pm, John Bokma wrote:
>> Lie Ryan writes:
>> > On 03/03/2010 09:47 AM, TomF wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>> >> There
>> >> is also a program called cpan, distributed with Perl. It is used for
>>
nager to add a Perl module, or CPAN, or would both work?
Both would work, but I would make very sure to use a separate
installation directory for modules installed via CPAN.
AFAIK there are also programs that pack CPAN modules/bundles into
something the package manager can use t
a /must/ when you
have 17,530 (at the time of writing) modules.
If Python wants it's own CPAN it might be a good first move to not have
modules named "xmlrpclib", "wave", "keyword", "zlib", etc. But I don't
see that happen soon :-).
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t;> a plain text document.
>
> I use footnotes all the time[1] in plain text documents and emails. I
> don't think there's anything bizarre about it at all.
http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html#footnotes [#]_.
.. [#] the keyword is ReST.
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ot;string") are not really
> unicode-, but utf8-strings?
utf8 is a Unicode *encoding*.
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Hephzibah writes:
> ImportError: No module named numpy
>
> Can someone pls. tell me what I'm supposed to do next?
Install numpy would be my first guess.
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Gabriel Genellina writes:
> On 13 mar, 00:26, Robin wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a good python to stand alone exe compiler?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yfcfzz4
Wow, pathetic fuck. You don't have to post you know.
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refreshment for a while: very newbie friendly, less pissing contests,
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