On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Dan Sommers wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:29:27 +, Giorgos Tzampanakis wrote:
>
>> Also, is working without connection to the server such big an issue?
>> One would expect that losing access to the central server would
>> indicate significant problems that wo
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:25:21 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
>> The source code seems to think otherwise:
>
> Mailman is not the only mailing list software in the world, and the
> feature you are referring to is optional.
>
>> http:/
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> The advantage of DVCS is that everybody has a full copy of the repo.
> The disadvantage of the DVCS is that every MUST have a full copy of the
> repo. When a repo gets big, you may not want to pull all of that data
> just to get the subtree you
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Jun 16, 4:14 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
>> > The advantage of DVCS is that everybody has a full copy of the repo.
>> > The disadvantage of the DVCS is that every M
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:13:13 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I didn't think there would be that much difference, tbh. Mainly, I'm
>> just seeing cpython as not being 200MB of history, or so I'd thoug
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 1:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>>> keep in mind that it includes the equivalent of four independent
>>> implementations:
&
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> Chris, a GUI interface can be created for *ANY* command line
> functionality. By utilizing the GUI you can be more
> productive because a "point" and a "click" are always faster
> than "peck-peck-peck" * INFINITY.
>
Okay... I'm trying to get
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM, C. N. Desrosiers
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm planning to buy a Macbook Air and I want to use it as a sort of alarm.
> I'd like to write a program that boots my computer at a specific time, loads
> iTunes, and starts playing a podcast. Is this sort of thing possible in
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:31:59 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>> The line between compilers
>>> and interpreters is quite fuzzy.
>>
>> It shouldn't be.
>
> Of course it should be, because that reflects reality.
It's fuzzy AND it seldom even mat
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:46 AM, John Ladasky
wrote:
> I was trying to RTFM linearly, beginning (naturally) at the beginning
Alas, the King of Hearts's good advice [1] doesn't work so well with
large documentation. :) It seems distutils is rather more complicated
than could be desired; but wasn't
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and
> PEP's which seem too technical for me, i prefer the live help of an actual
> expert human being.
>
This is definitely a reason to feel guilty. You are asking peo
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM, wrote:
> On 06/17/2013 01:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>>> The only thing i'm feeling guilty is that instead of reading help files and
>>> PEP's which seem too techni
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM, wrote:
>> if Python had perfect documentation,
>> he still wouldn't read it.
>
> If your crystal ball is that good, could you try using it
> to solve some of Nikos' problems?
I have done so, many times. Sometimes it helps, often it doesn't.
Once, it led me to ac
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Guy Scree wrote:
> I recommend that all participants in this thread, especially Alex and
> Anton, research the term "Pathological Altruism"
I don't intend to buy a book about it, but based on flipping through a
few Google results and snippets, I'm thinking that th
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wrote:
> tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such.
This being Python-list, we duck-type. You don't have to declare that
you're a troll, like you would in C; you just react like a troll and
we'll treat you as one. We never ask "ar
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 18/6/2013 12:05 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:
>
>> Names are *always* linked to objects, not to other names.
>>
>> a = []
>> b = a # Now a and b refer to the same list
>> a = {} # Now a refers to a dict, and b refers to the same list as befor
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> I'm tempted to open this up as a performance bug against the regex module
> (which I assume will be rejected, at least for the 2.x series).
Yeah, I'd try that against 3.3 before opening a performance bug. Also,
it's entirely possible that perf
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:49 PM, wrote:
> On 06/18/2013 01:21 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, alex23 wrote:
>>> tl;dr Stop acting like a troll and we'll stop perceiving you as such.
>>
>> This being Python-list, we duck-t
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> Names are *one of* the ways we specify which objects are to be used. (We can
> also specify objects via an container and a subscript or slice, or via an
> attribute of another object. And probably another way or two.)
But you always have to bo
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:07:28 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On the contrary, stereotyping is "You are-a , therefore you
>> will behave in ".
>
> I don't think that's how stereotypes usu
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/19/2013 03:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
>>>
>>> Names are *one of* the ways we specify which objects are to be used. (We
>>> can
>&
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:21:40 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> You can't reference an object without
>> somewhere having either a name or a literal to start it off.
>
> True, but not necessarily a name bo
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM, wrote:
> My goal is to learn and program it by myself, as good as the time allows me.
> That said, what I seek here is advice from people who definitively have more
> experience than me on topics like: is it possible to develop this kind of
> program in such a
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:14 AM, wrote:
> And the following, although the same thing really as all(xrange(10**9)), is
> not as instant and will take even longer than the above.
>
all(map(lambda x: bool(x), xrange(10**9)))
>
> However if all by some chance (I don't know how this stuff works
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM, wrote:
>>All you need is the iterator version of map(). In Python 3, that's the
>>normal map(); in Python 2, use this:
>
> from itertools import imap
> all(imap(lambda x: bool(x), xrange(10**9)))
>>False
>
>>It's roughly instant, like you would expect.
>
>
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Joshua Landau
wrote:
> Now, as I'm probably the most new programmer here I'll point out that
> I don't agree with Chris when he says that:
>
>> One way or
>> another, you will probably spend the next week writing code you throw
>> away; if you try to tackle the pri
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Arturo B wrote:
> Fixed, the problem was in
> HANGMANPICS
>
> I didn't open the brackets.
>
> Thank you guys :)
General debugging tip: Syntax errors are sometimes discovered quite
some way below the actual cause. The easiest way to figure out what's
the real caus
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Thanatos xiao wrote:
> Hey everyone!
> Recently I see the python source code, but i still not understand about gil.
> first, why single core quicker multi-core ? who can explan this in bottom
> layery ?
> second, what the different between the mult-core and the si
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:58:19 AM UTC-5, augus...@gmail.com wrote:
>> This is my first post in this group and the reason why I
>> came across here is that, despite my complete lack of
>> knowledge in the programming area, I received an or
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:04:50 AM UTC-5, Andrew Berg wrote:
>> On 2013.06.20 08:40, Rick Johnson wrote:
>
>> > then what is the purpose of a Unicode Braille character set?
>> Two dimensional characters can be made into 3 dimensional sh
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> Your generalization is analogous to explaining web browsers
> as: "software that allows a user to view web pages in the
> range www.*" Do you think someone could implement a web
> browser from such limited specification? (if that was all
> th
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> When the subroutine is completed, all inputs and local
> variables are expected to be destroyed. If the programmer
> wants a return value, he need simply ask. Data persistence
> is not a function of subroutines!
Funny, C violates your descri
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Russel Walker wrote:
> On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:45:27 PM UTC+2, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 19-06-13 18:14, russ.po...@gmail.com schreef:
>>
>> >
>>
>> all(map(lambda x: bool(x), xrange(10**9)))
>>
>> Since you already have your answer, I just like to get
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-06-20, Joshua Landau wrote:
>> On 20 June 2013 04:11, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>> Also, opening-and-not-closing a set of brackets is almost the
>>> only way in Python to make this kind of error (syntax at one
>>> line, actual mistake
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM, wrote:
> And all these coding schemes have something in common,
> they work all with a unique set of code points, more
> precisely a unique set of encoded code points (not
> the set of implemented code points (byte)).
>
> Just what the flexible string representati
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:17 AM, MRAB wrote:
> On 20/06/2013 17:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> And all these coding schemes have something in common,
>>> they work all with a unique set of code points,
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:12 AM, rusi wrote:
> Python (and all the other 'cool' languages) dont have gotchas because
> someone malevolently put them there.
> In most cases, the problem is seen too late and the cost of changing
> entrenched code too great.
> Or the problem is clear, the solution is
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:57:28 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Python functions are
>> created *once*, when defined. The cost of building the
>> function -- compiling the source code to byte code,
>> assembling the pieces into a functi
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> I could cast a "virtual net" over my poor lemmings before
> they jump off the cliff by throwing an exception:
>
> Traceback (most recent screw-up last):
>Line BLAH in SCRIPT
> def f(x = [None, b, [a, [4]]]):
> ArgumentError: No mut
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> # Literal
> py> d = {[1]:2}
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> d = {[1]:2}
> TypeError: unhashable type: 'list'
> # Symbol
> py> lst = [1]
> py> d = {lst:2}
> Traceback
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Thinking about this, I think that the only safe thing to do in Rickython
> 4000 is to prohibit putting mutable objects inside tuples. Putting a list
> or a dict inside a tuple is just a bug waiting to happen!
I think you're onto something
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:49:51 +0100, MRAB wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/06/2013 21:44, Rick Johnson wrote:
>> [...]
Which in Python would be the "MutableArgumentWarning".
*school-
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Rotwang wrote:
class hashablelist(list):
> ... def __hash__(self):
> ... return hash(tuple(self))
There's a vulnerability in that definition:
>>> a=hashablelist((1,[],3))
>>> a
[1, [], 3]
>>> {a:1}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", l
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> Combining these modifications:
>
> for line in f:
> word = line.strip()
> if is_palindrome.is_palindrome(word):
> print word
Minor quibble: I wouldn't use the name 'word' here, unless you're
expecting the file
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> _fmtstr = "Item wrote to MongoDB database {0}, {1}"
> msg = _fmtstr.format(_arg1, _arg2)
As a general rule, I don't like separating format strings and their
arguments. That's one of the more annoying costs of i18n. Keep them in
a single e
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/22/2013 07:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Rick Johnson
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>_fmtstr = "Item wrote to MongoDB database {0}, {1}"
>>>msg =
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/22/2013 07:37 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On the contrary, i18n should be done with config files. The format
>>> string
>
>
> **as specified in the physical program**
>
>
>>> is the key to t
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 6:12:50 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> As a general rule, I don't like separating format strings and their
>> arguments.
>
> Huh? Format strings don't take arguments because Pyth
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM, wrote:
> Writing simple program asking a question with the answer being "yes"...how do
> I allow the correct answer if user types Yes, yes, or YES?
The thing you're looking for is case-folding, or possibly
lower-casing. You should be able to find what you want
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:12:49 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <51c66455$0$2$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
>> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>>> http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-
> believe-about-
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 02:20:56 +0100, MRAB wrote:
>
>> One vs not-one isn't good enough. Some languages use the singular with
>> any numbers ending in '1'. Some languages have singular, dual, and
>> plural. Etc. It's surprising how inventive
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:52 AM, wrote:
> (NOTE: Many people are being taught to avoid 'break' and 'continue' at all
> costs...
Why? Why on earth should break/continue be avoided? I think that's the
solution: teach people that loops are there to be interrupted and
manipulated. And then it's a s
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2013-06-25 07:38, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Python has no issues with breaking out of loops, and even has
>> syntax specifically to complement it (the 'else:' clause). Use
>> break/continue when appropriat
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Fábio Santos
> wrote:
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2013 22:29, "Ian Kelly" wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Fábio Santos
>>> wrote:
>>> > This can probably be best achieved by adding to the existing for loop
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:01 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:08:57 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:52 AM, <> wrote:
>>
>> > (NOTE: Many people are being taught to avoid 'break' and 'continue' a
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Benjamin Kaplan
wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:01 PM, rusi wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:08:57 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jun
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Robert Kern wrote:
> There is quite a bit of Python's lexical analysis that is specified in
> places other than the formal notation. That does not mean it is undefined.
> It is well defined in the lexer code and the documentation. You suggest that
> a "rule probabl
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Robert Kern wrote:
> On 2013-06-25 12:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Robert Kern
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is quite a bit of Python's lexical analysis that is specified in
>>>
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/25/2013 09:55 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
>>
>> Marco Perniciaro wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I've been working with Python for a long time.
>>> Yet, I came across an issue which I cannot explain.
>>>
>>> Recently I have a new PC (Windows 7).
>>> Pre
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Antoon Pardon
> wrote:
>> Op 23-06-13 18:35, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>> Please don't. This is false economy. The time you save will be trivial,
>>> the overhead of inheritance is not going to be the bottleneck
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> The main problem is getting to the top/end of the call chain. Classic
>> example is with __init__, but the same problem can also happen with
>> other calls. Jus
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Here's how it *should* be made: the most superest, most badassed
> object should take care of its children. New instances should
> automatically call up the super chain (and not leave it up to the
> subclasses), so that the parent classes ca
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Combining integers with sets I can make
> a Rational class and have infinite-precision arithmetic, for example.
Combining two integers lets you make a Rational. Python integers are
already infinite-precision. Or are you actually talking of us
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> 1) That breaks the Liskov Substitution Principle. A subclass of list
>> ought to fulfill the contracts of a basic list.
>
> We don't need LSP. I write about this on the WIkiWikiWeb where there
> were many arguments documented and many hairs
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Mark Janssen
wrote:
Combining two integers lets you make a Rational.
>>>
>>> Ah, but what is going to group them together? You see you've already
>>> gotten seduced. Python already uses a set to group them together --
>>> it's called a Dict and it's in ever
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:20:43 +1000, Neil Hodgson
> declaimed the following:
>
>>jim...@aol.com:
>>
>>> Syntax:
>>> fwhile X in ListY and conditionZ:
>>
>>There is precedent in Algol 68:
>>
>>for i from 0 to n while safe(i) do .. od
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Did you ever hear of the Glass Bead Game?
Yeah, it's Magic: The Gathering and its counters.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr195
:)
ChrisA
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Rotwang wrote:
> On 25/06/2013 23:57, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mark Janssen
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Combining integers with sets I can make
>>> a Rational class and have infinite-preci
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Joshua Landau
wrote:
> On 25 June 2013 22:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Tuesday 25 June 2013 17:47:22 Joshua Landau did opine:
>
> I did not.
Beg pardon? It looked like an accurate citation to me - you quoted the
OP's second post, then added the line beginning "S
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:14 PM, rusi wrote:
> I am looking for a quote
> (from Whorf/Sapir/Wittgenstein/Humboldt dunno... that 'school')
>
> It goes something like this:
>
> What characterizes a language is not what we can say in it but what we must
> -- like it or not -- say.
I think you may b
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-06-27, Jason Swails wrote:
>
>> He _is_ using cmd. He's subclassed cmd.Cmd and trying to use
>> argparse to handle argument parsing in the Cmd.precmd method to
>> preprocess the user input.
>
> [...]
>
>> Having subclassed cmd.Cmd m
mework assignments. Honesty won't hurt you
(since we can all tell anyway), and it means we know you're trying to
learn, not to cheat. And yes, there are a discouraging number of
people who do try to cheat, so setting yourself apart from them is
well worth it. :)
Chris Angelico
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> For further hack value, require that all pull requests to the project be
> done entirely in iambic pentameter:
>
> for host in hosts:
>deploy(the_code).remote()
For further hack delight, require a patch
Submitted for this code restrict itsel
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/29/2013 5:21 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>
>>> # The alternative for either program or people is a 1-pass + backtracking
>>> process where all understandings are kept provisional until
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On a related note, I think that generator functions should in some way
> be explicitly marked as such in the declaration, rather than needing
> to scan the entire function body for a yield statement to determine
> whether it's a generator or not.
There's a bit of a discussion on python-ideas that includes a function
that raises StopIteration. It inspired me to do something stupid, just
to see how easily I could do it...
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Re: [Python-ideas] "Iteration stopping" syntax
def stop():
> .
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Joshua Landau
wrote:
> On 30 June 2013 15:58, Rick Johnson wrote:
>> Chris, i'm sorry, but your challenge is decades too late. If you seek
>> amusement you need look no further than the Python stdlib. If you REALLY
>> want to be amused, peruse the "idlelib" -- no
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM, wrote:
>
> i just want something simple that basicly asks for a password and then
> replies to u if you are wrong nothing hevay just for learning exsperience
> --
Then your task is pretty easy. Look up these things in the Python docs:
* input (or raw_input if yo
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-06-30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> So, here's a challenge: Come up with something really simple,
>> and write an insanely complicated - yet perfectly valid - way
>> to achieve the same thing. Bonus p
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Joshua Landau
wrote:
> Beautiful, see?
Truly a work of art! I am awed.
ChrisA
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:02 AM, wrote:
> ... engaging in flame wars with trolls simply produces more
> flames, hostility begets hostility ...
It does. Please can these threads die quietly now?
ChrisA
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> Fine you give me an opportunity to point out the problems in your thinking
> without giving yourself the opportunity to respond. I can live with that.
And by continuing to rant, you just make other people sick of reading
your posts. Please, d
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It's very easy to come up with lousy algorithms for calculating
> reputation, much harder to come up with good algorithms.
Yes. Reminder: Don't just average your users' ratings. http://xkcd.com/937/
In fact, mere upvotes and downvotes mig
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 02:34, Andrew Berg wrote:
>> DOS is long
>> dead, and is much, much different under the hood from the console
>> subsystem in modern versions of Windows.
>
>
> While this is clearly true, it's by no means unusual for people to refer
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> A popular language like Python has been around for about 20 years. It is
> in daily use by tens of thousands of people around the world. What are
> the chances that you, in your first week of using Python, just happened
> to stumble across
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
> Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef:
>> If your going to point out something negative about someone
>> then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out
>> incompetence to your boss (or anyone else where impoliteness
>> could
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2013-07-03 09:51, Tim Golden wrote:
>> We can certainly agree on this. I can't count the number of emails
>> I've deleted as too hot-headed in response to dismissive comments
>> about Windows as a platform. Some of them, at least, appear to be
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Ian Foote wrote:
> import antigravity
Having checked its docstring, I am now left wondering what I can do
with the Munroe geohashing algorithm and if there's any way I could
use that at work somehow.
ChrisA
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:52:12 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> I'm running a box with Debian squeeze, and I just ran:
>> sudo aptitude install jython
>> which ended up installing Python 2.5:
>
> BTW trying to install jython out here gave me
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're
>> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python
>> might be in some
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Antoon Pardon
wrote:
>> If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root
>> password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he had
>> betrayed his (our) customers' trust. I would say it with strong
>> emphasis and a raised tone, too, and n
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>
>>> ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers.
>>>
>>> Which seemed to be accepted on this list without a problem.
>>
>>
>> If my boss
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> > Chris Angelico wrote:
>> >
>> >> Of course, it's possible for
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Νίκος wrote:
> I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open
> a norla user account for someone if i feel like trusting him and copy my
> python file to his homr dir to take alook from within.
Well... well... baby steps. That's someth
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 3/7/2013 6:44 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, � wrote:
>>>
>>> I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will
>>> open
>>&
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 3/7/2013 7:53 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>> What are the file permissions (file modes) on all your home
>> directories? Do you know what they mean?
>
>
> root@nikos [~]# ls -al /home
> total 88
> drwx--x--x 22
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> With respect to the Huffman coding of declarations, Javascript gets it
> backwards. Locals ought to be more common, but they require more typing.
> Locals are safer, better, more desirable than globals, and so it should
> be easier to use lo
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Maciej Dziardziel wrote:
> Out of curiosity: Does anyone know why the code below is valid in python3,
> but not python2:
>
> def foo(*args, bar=1, **kwargs):
> pass
Keyword-only arguments are (IIRC) a Py3-only feature. There are lots
of features that don't wor
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Landau
wrote:
> That said, I'm not too convinced. Personally, the proper way to do
> what you are talking about is creating a new closure. Like:
>
> for i in range(100):
> with new_scope():
> for i in range(100):
> func(i)
> func(i
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Accidental shadowing can be a problem, but I've never heard of anyone
> saying that they were *forced* to shadow a global they needed access to.
> Just pick a different name.
Here's one example of shadowing that comes from a C++ project at
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