necessarily running as
root.
What does the 'os.setsid()' gain me? How can I get that without being
the root user?
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> > The problem I'm having is that 'os.setsid()' fails with 'OSError:
> > [Errno 1] Operation not permitted' unless I run the
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hmm. I typed the example program in as a simplified version of what
> I'm doing; but didn't actually *run* it. When I do run it, I get no
> exception, as you say.
>
> Now I'll have to find out what significant differenc
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t;>> foo = ["eggs", "beans", "beans", "eggs", "spam"]
>>> counts = [(foo.count(val), val) for val in set(foo)]
>>> sorted(counts)[-1][1]
'eggs'
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in ?
NameError: name 'bar' is not defined
>>> foo()
>>> bar
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> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:26:47 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Yes it is [a homework question].
> >>
> >> Where else to ask for hel
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'foo'.
This doesn't preclude importing the module (e.g. for unit
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:05:55 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > The compiler for a dynamic language like Python has very little
> > absolute "no significant side-effect in these specific cases"
> > guarantee of the
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badly misnamed, and falsely documented.
Can anyone point me to a counter-argument to the above article?
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Evan Klitzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 14:15 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Why does the documentation of 'super' say that it returns the
> > superclass when *that's not true*? It doesn't return the
> > superclass, it retu
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am I mistaken in thinking that "superclass of foo" is equivalent
> > to "parent class of foo"
> so most people use your example
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> Ben Finney a écrit :
> > Evan Klitzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 14:15 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> >>> [the 'super' function] doesn't return the superclass, it
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?" won't be misled into trying to use *the wrong
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Hrvoje Niksic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > Evan is claiming that "the next class in the MRO _is_ a superclass",
> > apparently by his definition or some other that I've not seen.
>
> The defi
Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ben Finney wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> >
> >> In general, "a superclass of foo" means "a class X such that foo is a
> >> sublass of X"
> >
> > Sure
Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ben Finney wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> >
> >> In general, "a superclass of foo" means "a class X such that foo is a
> >> sublass of X"
> >
> > Sure
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
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> >> In general, "a superclass of foo" means "a class X such that foo is a
> >> sublass of X"
> >
> > Sure
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:00:40 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > In its latter form, it is worthless to me when I'm looking for
> > "get superclass of A", but its name and parameters and
> > documentat
d for someone looking to do what mixin classes do?
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Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > What do you see as an appropriate use of mixin classes, and what
> > an abuse?
>
> An example of fine usage of mixin is Tkinter; an example of bad
> usage if Zope 2.
Which parts of those two ver
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Also, some similar events involving the instance that would *not*
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ess", there's no OS-independent way to
do that. You'll need to write code that depends on a particular way of
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> How can I, as the distributor of a package using setuptools, gain
> the benefits of dependency declaration and checking, without the
> drawback of unexpected and potentially unwanted download and
> installation?
To clarify: I want to
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> > To clarify: I want to retain the "assert the specified
> > dependencies are satisfied" behaviour, without the "... and, if
> > not, download and install them the Setupto
every dependency with every separate
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"Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > How would I modify my 'setup.py' script so that its default
> > behaviour, when dependencies are not met, is not "download and
> > install dependencies via
vant to any
programmer trying to adopt the practice. Its "web links" section is
also a useful starting point.
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> > fifteen *separate* installations of library X on the same machine?
> >
> You need to get your opinions up to date. Fifteen copi
pecify IPv4 or IPv6.
If argparse treats those as numeric arguments instead of options,
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command-line usage (hyphen introduces an option).
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- Abstract Base Classes
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- everything that's being added to 2.6 :-)
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> On Sep 28, 6:19 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > A user shouldn't have to go out of their way to specify regular
> > > numbers on the comma
"exact
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> > Both Emacs and Vim are highly customisable text editors. They are
> > configurable with complete programming languages specific to the
> > program, and both have a huge community of pro
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er necessary, since the same object is now also
available by the name 'Foo' directly from 'mypackage' because you
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try:
>thingy()
>assert 42 == 43
Clearer would be:
assert False
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> Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > Giampaolo Rodolà <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > What's the equivalent of unittest's "assertRaises"?
> >
> > def test_raises():
&
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> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Or even better:
> >
> > def test_raises_good_exception():
> > try:
> > thingy()
>
> Well if we're grading on style, m
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> I've had good results with Ian Bicking's 'minimock.py'
> http://blog.ianbicking.org/minimock.html>. It uses the existing
> 'doctest' functionality for its output [...]
That doesn't make much sense,
ime.timedelta(4, 25526)
>>> value - datetime.datetime(2007, 11, 26, 0, 0, 0)
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are part of the
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joan M. Garcia) writes:
> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Please don't ever recommend 'from foo import *' in end-user
> > documentation. [...]
>
> Got it, and solved. Thanks.
Thanks for the quick response.
A further
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> A further issue, that requires a change of interface: Please comply
> with PEP 8 http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/> for your
> module interface. In particular, please name classes with TitleCase,
> and functions, methods, an
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