Op 20-07-16 om 07:42 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
> Floating point maths is hard, thinking carefully about what you are doing and
> whether it is appropriate to use == or a fuzzy almost-equal comparison, or if
> equality is the right way at all.
>
> "But thinking is hard, can't you just tell me the a
Op 24-07-16 om 21:00 schreef Chris Angelico:
> A skilled craftsman in any field will choose to use quality tools.
> They save time, and time is money.[/quote]
Sure, but sometimes there is a flaw somewhere. A flaw whose
consequences can be reduced by using an extra tool. If that
is the case the rea
I am rewriting a program so it can work in python3.
I am making progress, but now I stumble on the exception mentioned in
the subject.
The code still works in python2.
What I'm doing is to write the results to temporary file that needs to be
sorted afterwards. For as far as I understand after don
Below is a short program that illustrate the problem
It works with python2, whether you use the -c option or not.
It only works with python3 if you use the -c option.
The problem seems to come from my expectation that a file
is its own iterator and in python3 that is no longer true
for a NamedTemp
Op 23-07-16 om 16:19 schreef Chris Angelico:
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 12:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>> Or, for debugging or other reasons, when you need to comment out the
>> contents of a block. Then pass needs to be added.
> How often do you comment out an entire block and not its header? I
> don't re
Op 29-07-16 om 13:14 schreef D'Arcy J.M. Cain:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:58:35 +0200
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> As BartC already mentions it happens fairly often during debugging.
>> Something like.
>>
>> try:
>>Some code
>> except Some_Exception:
ng it with `pass`, in general
> your code will just break again as soon as it continues processing.
I think the case where you just want to ignore the exception, but it can
at times be useful to get some extra logging information for debuging
purposes, is not that rare as you seem to suggest.
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Op 29-07-16 om 16:38 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:55 pm, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 29-07-16 om 15:43 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
>>> Of course it won't, which is why I don't believe all these folks who
>>> claim that they
Op 30-07-16 om 05:49 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 04:32 am, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps its *you* who doesn't understand. The subject line talks
> about "empty code blocks", and Bart has suggested that instead of having to
> write
&
Op 30-07-16 om 18:15 schreef Rustom Mody:
>
> The more general baby that is significant is that beginners should have
> it easy to distinguish procedure and function and python does not naturally
> aid that. print was something procedure-ish in python2 but the general
> notion being
> absent is
aching language?
It is not because it gets the Procedure vs Function ontology right.
As far as I know scheme has about the same data structures as python,
they are just called differently and there are some limitations.
So when putting scheme and python next to each other we should choose
schem
Op 05-08-16 om 02:03 schreef Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:13:01 AM UTC+12, Robin Becker wrote:
>> A reportlab user found he was doing the wrong thing by calling
>> canvas.save repeatedly, our documentation says you should not use Canvas
>> objects after the save method h
On 8/12/18 09:35, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:56 PM Henrik Bengtsson
> wrote:
>> A comment from the sideline: one could imagine extending the Python syntax
>> with a (optional) 0d prefix that allows for explicit specification of
>> decimal values. They would "complete" the family:
On 8/12/18 06:00, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 07Dec2018 20:24, Jach Fong wrote:
>> Ian at 2018/12/8 UTC+8 AM11:28:34 wrote:
>>> What is it exactly that you're trying to accomplish with this? Perhaps
>>> there's a better way than using eval.
>>
>> This problem comes from solving a word puzzle,
>>
On 8/12/18 07:59, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
> 08.12.18 03:17, jf...@ms4.hinet.net пише:
> 00
>> 0
> 03
>> File "", line 1
>> 03
>> ^
>> SyntaxError: invalid token
>
>
> In Python 3.8 the error message will be more informative:
>
03
> File "", line 1
> SyntaxError: leading
On 10/12/18 11:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:01 PM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 8/12/18 06:00, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>> On 07Dec2018 20:24, Jach Fong wrote:
>>>> Ian at 2018/12/8 UTC+8 AM11:28:34 wrote:
>>>>> What is it exact
On 10/12/18 11:16, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:11 PM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 10/12/18 11:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> Considering that, in a problem of that description, neither S nor M
>>> may represent zero, I don't think there&#
On 31/01/19 10:18, ^Bart wrote:
> Hello everybody! :)
>
> I got a text and I should replace every space with \n without to use
> str.replace, I thought something like this:
Have you even tried to run this?
>
> text = "The best day of my life!"
>
> space = (' ')
>
> if text.count(' ') in text:
>
On 31/01/19 10:37, Michael Poeltl wrote:
> hi,
>
> ^Bart ended in a Mail-Delivery...
> so I send it ONLY to the python-list
>
> ^Bert, a proper way to do what you'd liked to achieve is the following:
No it is not the proper way of a school test to copy what others provided.
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On 31/01/19 11:47, ^Bart wrote:
>> . A correct answer to the exercise would be:
>>
>> |You cannot replace a space with \n in a string,
>> |because strings are immutable in Python.
>
> Yes, I thought in a wrong way! :)
>
Well maybe you can turn the string into a list of characters. Then
replace t
would also work:
I don't know. Something like the following is already legal:
f(x)[n] = x * n
And it does something completly different.
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On 27/03/19 22:25, Terry Reedy wrote:
> ...
>
> Before 3.8, I would stop here and say no to the proposal. But we now
> have assignment expressions in addition to assignment statements.
>
> >>> int(s:='42'+'742')
> 42742
> >>> s
> '42742'
>
> To me, function assignment expressions, as a enhanced re
and so on. I've had
> some success using string.replace(), but it is difficult to cater for
> every case.
How about this function (python3):
def char2html(l):
return '&#%d;' % ord(l)
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would go
for the following:
fac(0) -> 1
fac(n) -> n * fac(n - 1)
Which seems incompatible with the proposal for an alternative lambda.
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On 8/04/19 23:14, DL Neil wrote:
> Is logging an unpopular package?
I think it does too much and too litle.
On the one hand, you are overwhelmed by the possibilities, most of which you
don't need.
On the other hand, you find that it is missing a number of levels in comparison
with syslog.
I als
.)
I use the simultaneous active handlers regularly. I write a lot of things
that are called by cron. My standard set up is to have two handlers. One
with loglevel INFO that writes to a file and one with loglevel WARNING
that writes to stderr.
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. Can you spot both of them?
> Well, obviously it's violating LSP by changing the signature of
> __init__, which means that you have to be aware of its position in the
> hierarchy. If you want things to move around smoothly, you HAVE to
> maintain a constant signature (which might mean using *args and/or
> **kwargs cooperatively).
I guess the second problem is that C1 doesn't call super. Meaning that if
someone else uses this in a multiple heritance scheme, and the MRO reaches
C1, the call doesn't get propagated to the rest.
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On 16/07/19 10:18, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 6:05 PM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 16/07/19 09:18, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
>>>> Just using super() is not enough. You need to take steps if you want
d side with a list that gets printed something like the following:
[, '+', ] I am a bit at a
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contains the following
production: Term -> Term '+' Factor I can reprensent the right hand side
with a list that gets printed something like the following:
[, '+', ] I am a bit at a
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On 18/07/19 18:14, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 07/18/2019 06:04 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> I am experimenting with writing an Earley Parser. Now I would like to
>> have the non-terminals from the grammer I am reading in, be represented
>> bye an enum like type. So that if
What I am trying to do is the following.
class MyClass (...) :
@register
def MyFunction(...)
...
What I would want is for the register decorator to somehow create/mutate
class variable(s) of MyClass.
Is that possible or do I have to rethink my approach?
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On 4/09/19 17:46, Peter Otten wrote:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> What I am trying to do is the following.
>>
>> class MyClass (...) :
>> @register
>> def MyFunction(...)
>> ...
>>
>> What I would want is for the register deco
On 4/09/19 17:46, Peter Otten wrote:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> What I am trying to do is the following.
>>
>> class MyClass (...) :
>> @register
>> def MyFunction(...)
>> ...
>>
>> What I would want is for the register deco
x/prodcution with
a specific method to be called in specific circumstances when parsing
a string.
So I need the lexing and parsing algorithms available to this class,
either by adding methods to the class or by making a subclass of the
class where they are implemented.
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I have some logging utilities so that when I write library code, I just use the
following.
from logutil import Logger
log = Logger(__name__)
And from then on I just use log, to do the logging of that module.
But now I would like to write a decorator trace, so that a decorated
function would lo
On 9/10/19 13:02, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:53 PM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> I have some logging utilities so that when I write library code, I just use
>> the following.
>>
>> from logutil import Logger
>>
>> log = Logger(__name__)
>
I was wondering how likely it would be that piped-iterators like shown in
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python/
would make it into a future python version. Once I started using them
(and included some more) I found I really liked working with them. For
instance I
That seems to have been thoruoghly garbled so I start again.
I was wondering how likely it would be that piped iterators like shown
in http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python/
would make it into a future python version/ Once I started using them
(and included some
About including piped iterators:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python/
On 10/10/19 13:00, Paul Moore wrote:
> As another measure, look at various other libraries on PyPI and ask
> yourself why *this* library needs to be in the stdlib more than those
> others
On 11/10/19 15:48, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 10/10/2019 12:40, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> About including piped iterators:
>>
>> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python/
>>
>> On 10/10/19 13:00, Paul Moore wrote:
>>>
On 15/10/19 13:59, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 15/10/2019 12:38, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 11/10/19 15:48, Rhodri James wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2019 12:40, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>>> About including piped iterators:
>>>>
>>>> http://code.active
I would like to verify I understand correctly.
It is about the following construct:
try:
statement1
statement2
...
except ():
pass
As far as I understand and my tests seem to confirm this, this
is equivallent to just
statement1
statement2
...
Using python 3.5
I have been experimenting with curried functions. A bit like in Haskell.
So I can write the following function:
def sum4(a, b, c, d):
return a + b + c + d
summing = curry(sum4)
print summing(1)(2)(3)(4) # this prints 10.
The problem is I need the signature of the original
On 22/10/19 12:02, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 10/22/2019 4:58 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Using python 3.5
>>
>> I have been experimenting with curried functions. A bit like in Haskell.
>> So I can write the following function:
>>
>> def sum4(a, b, c, d):
>
On 25/10/19 12:22, Maggie Q Roth wrote:
> Hello
>
> There are two primary types of lines in the log:
>
> 60.191.38.xx/
> 42.120.161.xx /archives/1005
>
> I know how to write regex to match each line, but don't get the good result
> with one regex to match both lines.
Could you provid
On 5/11/19 19:33, Spencer Du wrote:
> Hi
>
> I want to execute at least two python files at once when imported but I dont
> know how to do this. Currently I can only import each file one after another
> but what i want is each file to be imported at the same time. Can you help me
> write the cod
erator import truediv
from functools import partial
ls = range(1, 11)
for x in map(partial(truediv, 1), ls):
print(x)
In the code above "partial(truediv, 1)" will produce a function that
will inverse its argument and I don't need to give this function a name
to pass
On 7/11/19 18:10, Stephen Waldron wrote:
> What I'm aiming for is the ability to, within a function call, pass a suite
> that would be there automatically defined by the compiler/interpreter.
> Another comment did mention lambda functions, which does to some degree
> provide that capability, but
On 8/11/19 13:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:57 PM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 7/11/19 18:10, Stephen Waldron wrote:
>>> What I'm aiming for is the ability to, within a function call, pass a suite
>>> that would be there automatically def
On 14/11/19 18:46, R.Wieser wrote:
> Jan,
>
>> So what you want to do is dynamic scope?
> No, not really.I was looking for method to let one procedure share a
> variable with its caller - or callers, selectable by me. And as a "by
> reference" argument does not seem to exist in Python ...
.reader and csv.writer but that would be some convoluted code.
Anyone some suggestions?
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Maybe you should have a look at:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/52215-get-more-information-from-tracebacks/
On 19/11/19 15:08, Veek M wrote:
> Basically I want to call a method and pretty print the object contents
> for some code I'm playing with.
>
> Instead of manually writing all this cru
I am working on a module that works out this idea of a piline in python
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python
I have a number of design questions I would like some feedback on.
1) In the recipe the '|' is used as the pipe line operator. I like that
for its simi
On 10/12/19 13:44, R.Wieser wrote:
> Chris,
>
>> Well, that's exactly what happens.
> So, only the reference count gets lowered. Yep, thats daft.
>
> ... unless you explain why it can only be done that way.
>
>> Also, when you scorn something without knowing your facts,
>> you tend to make yoursel
On 10/12/19 16:10, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:53 AM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> What would you want to happen in the following case:
>>
>>foo1 = Bar()
>>foo2 = foo1
>>del foo1
>>
>> Should the object be cleaned up now
On 10/12/19 16:56, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:36 AM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> On 10/12/19 16:10, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:53 AM Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>>> What would you want to happen in the following case:
>>
t you expect is not within the language specification.
If next time you
try out an other python implementation, there is no guarantee this will
still work as
you expect. That you think you can infer general behaviour from your
limited experience
is a mistake.
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he goes wrong.
Stop arguing and start listening.
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On 9/12/19 12:27, Musbur wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a function with a long if/elif chain that sets a couple of
> variables according to a bunch of test expressions, similar to
> function branch1() below. I never liked that approach much because it
> is clumsy and repetetive, and pylint thinks so as
I would like to get the information given by the df command on linux/unix.
I found the os.statvfs call, but it misses one thing: The filesystem.
Does anyone know how to get that information.
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Op 20/03/20 om 02:10 schreef Cameron Simpson:
On 20Mar2020 00:37, duncan smith wrote:
Thread
safety is unimportant (for my purposes), but the docs at
https://docs.python.org/2/library/collections.html#collections.deque
state "Deques support thread-safe, memory efficient appends and pops
from
on.
I would like to start python from an unprepared bash, and do the necessary
stuff to make the import work.
I already tried changing os.environ and using os.putenv, but that didn't
seem to work.
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File "slottest", line 15, in __str__
attrs = self.getslots()
File "slottest", line 9, in getslots
ls = super().getslots()
AttributeError: 'super' object has no attribute 'getslots'
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Op 29/03/20 om 16:49 schreef Peter Otten:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the following program
>>
>> class slt:
>> __slots__ = ()
>>
...
>>
>> class slt1 (slt):
>> __slots__ = 'fld1', 'fld2'
>>
I am experimenting with subclasses that all need the same metaclass as the
base class. Is there a way to make the metaclass be inherited, so that you
don't have to repeat the "metaclass = MetaClass" with every subclass.
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Op 9/04/20 om 18:37 schreef Peter Otten:
Antoon Pardon wrote:
I am experimenting with subclasses that all need the same metaclass as the
base class. Is there a way to make the metaclass be inherited, so that you
don't have to repeat the "metaclass = MetaClass" with every subc
cely
depth += inc
return parseStack
parseStack = make_parseStack()
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Op 15/05/20 om 00:36 schreef Stephane Tougard:
Hello,
A multithreaded software written in Python is connected with a Postgres
database. To avoid concurrent access issue with the database, it starts
a thread who receive all SQL request via queue.put and queue.get (it
makes only insert, so no
present, should raise KeyError.
Is that somehow possible?
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Well the question is in the subject.
I have a number of modules/packages which were until recently
personal use only. However python is getting more popular
at work and some of my work was considered useful enough to
install in a public available spot.
How should I approach this?
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Op 15/08/20 om 07:33 schreef dn via Python-list:
> On 14/08/2020 22:32, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Well the question is in the subject.
>>
>> I have a number of modules/packages which were until recently
>> personal use only. However python is getting more popular
>>
e problem.
I think writing code that is at heart a state machine would be a lot more
easy if python would have TCO. Then each state could be implemented by
a function and transitioning from one state to the next would be just
calling the next function.
Sure you can resolve this by wri
Op 15/08/20 om 15:02 schreef Chris Angelico:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 10:45 PM Antoon Pardon
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't understand this argument. The trace back information that is
>> destroyed with this optimization, is information that isn't availab
h pip. Note that the above example pulls a
particular tagged release via the "@5.0.3" suffix.
That is a nice feature. I will have a closer look at this.
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is treated but not
appear itself.
2) If it is not special, it should just appear and not change how the '
is treated.
What python does here is a combination of both. The \ appears and it
changes how the ' is treated. That is IMO broken.
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I'm writing a class with a lot of dictionary like behaviour.
I was wondering whether a unittest for dictionaries already
exists somewhere so that I could use it as a start for
a unittest for my class.
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Op 2005-09-28, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> I'm writing a class with a lot of dictionary like behaviour.
>> I was wondering whether a unittest for dictionaries already
>> exists somewhere so that I could use it as a star
r consenting adults.
No it is not. Consenting means you had the choice. Python doesn't
give you the choice not to consent. Unless of course you write
it as a C-extension, then you can hide all you want.
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g goes wrong with the class
he has to find out what and that is easier if he can assure that clients
didn't mess with certain implementation details.
Sure the developer can make a mistake here, just as he can mistakes
anywhere in his code. If that happens, you should report a bug.
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erent from changing the implementation.
A (documented) interface is like a contract. The implementation is
just one way to follow that contract.
> People who think that forbidding access to private variables/methods
> will save themselves from upgrade woes are deluding themselves.
It helps, ju
would prefer the opposite such as a interface
to mark objects which are not private, but that would break too
much code.
2) Allow the client access to these private variables, through
a special construct. Maybe instead of "from ... import ..."
"from ... spy ...".
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Op 2005-09-30, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 2005-09-29, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>>Think about it: we have a language that has an eval() function and an
>>>exec statement,
Op 2005-09-30, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 2005-09-29, Bill Mill schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>But, if your users can't figure out that they shouldn't be changing
>>>the variable called t._test_
ed, the supporting code were disabled in 1996,
> and all traces were removed from the sources around 1997-89.
>
> those who don't know history etc etc
What history? If it was only partially implemented and almost
immediately deprecated, there can't have been much experience
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t; Learning and using standard idioms is an essential part of learning a
> language; python is no
> exception to this.
Well I'm a bit getting sick of those references to standard idioms.
There are moments those standard idioms don't work, while the
gist of the OP's remark still stands like:
egold = 0:
while egold < 10:
if test():
ego1d = egold + 1
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Op 2005-09-30, Steven D'Aprano schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:52:50 +, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 2005-09-29, Bill Mill schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>> But, if your users can't figure out that they shouldn'
Op 2005-09-30, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 2005-09-30, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>>
>>>>Op 2005-09-29, Bill Mill schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Op 2005-09-30, Steven D'Aprano schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:37:14 +, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Well I have the following reasons not to like the current python way:
>>
>> 1) Beginning all your private variables with an underscore is
Op 2005-09-30, Rocco Moretti schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>>>What if the class author removes a non-private variable or changes a
>>>method's documented parameters in the next version of the class, because
>>>he thi
Op 2005-10-03, Duncan Booth schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Well I'm a bit getting sick of those references to standard idioms.
>> There are moments those standard idioms don't work, while the
>> gist of the OP's remark stil
etween the two.
I don't think it very likely but I could have a table
with indexes from 2147483647 to 2147483700, so having
2147483647 as value that indicated till the end of
the sequence is a bit awkward.
The same problems occur when I have a tree with integer
key values. But even if I don
else Y
>>
>> which is the same as today's
>>
>> (Y, X)[bool(C)]
>
> What's wrong with "C ? X:Y"?
>
> Aside from ":" being overloaded?
Nothing, but afaiu Guido dislikes it.
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Op 2005-10-03, Duncan Booth schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> A language where variable have to be declared before use, would allow
>> to give all misspelled (undeclared) variables in on go, instead of
>> just crashing each time one is encount
Op 2005-10-03, Steven D'Aprano schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:58:33 +, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 2005-10-03, Duncan Booth schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>>
>>>> A language where variab
Op 2005-10-03, Steven D'Aprano schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:59:04 +, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Well I'm a bit getting sick of those references to standard idioms.
>> There are moments those standard idioms don't work, while the
Op 2005-10-03, Steven D'Aprano schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:14:34 +, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> If you are in a project with
>> multiple authors, your usage of private variables can break code
>> that other people rely on.
>
&
back or you just code without
initialisation, intending to go back an do it later.
> Or you just code without declaring, intending to go
> back and do it later, and invariably forget.
What's the problem, the compilor will allert you
to your forgetfullness and you can then correct
them all at once.
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Op 2005-10-04, Steve Holden schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Paul Rubin wrote:
>> Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>>Or you just code without declaring, intending to go
>>>>back and do it later, and invariably forget.
>>>
&g
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