On 2023-02-25 at 15:58:35 -0800,
ofek shulberg wrote:
> On Monday, January 4, 2010 at 9:19:21 PM UTC+2, Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> > En Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:24:22 -0300, louisJ escribi�:
> > > I installed python 2.6 (from python.org) for windows XP, and then
> > > Pylab.
> > > When I type "import
On 26/02/2023 00:54, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> On 26/02/23 10:53 am, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> I'm not on either list but the purpose of the tutor list is to shunt
>> beginner questions away from the main list.
I'm not sure that's why we set it up but it is
certainly a large part of our remit
On 25/02/2023 23:45, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
I think it is the case that x += 1 is atomic but foo.x += 1 is not.
No that is not true, and has never been true.
:>>> def x(a):
:... a += 1
:...
:>>>
:>>> dis.dis(x)
1 0 RESUME 0
2 2 LOAD_FAST
On 2/25/2023 8:12 PM, Hen Hanna wrote:
2. the rude guy ('dn') hasn't offered a single word of comment that's
directly relevant to it.
> but he did offer related stuff which he
thinks i should be [grateful] for
Please let's stop the ad hominem messages. If someone
Alan,
Good tack. By not welcoming someone who is paranoid about being welcomed you
are clearly the right kind of welcoming!
Kidding aside, you have a point about one of the barrage of messages
probably not getting a great answer on your tutor forum. It is the MANY
messages often about fairly simp
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:52:35 PM UTC-8, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 16:23, Hen Hanna wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, March 4, 2021 dn wrote:
> > > Hi, and welcome to the list.
> >
> >
> > note that this is the very same rude guy ('dn') who is apparently the
>
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:38:00 PM UTC-8, Greg Ewing wrote:
> On 23/02/23 9:37 am, Hen Hanna wrote:
> > for the first several weeks... whenever i used Python... all i could think
> > ofwas this is really Lisp (inside) with a thin veil of
> > Java/Pascal syntax..
def Lisprint(x): print( ' (' + ', '.join(x) + ')' , '\n')
a=' a b c ? def f x if zero? x 0 1 '
a += ' A B C ! just an example '
x= a.split()
print(x)
Lisprint(x)
['a', 'b', 'c', '?', 'def', 'f', 'x', 'if', 'zero?', 'x', '0', '1', 'A', 'B',
'C', '!', 'just', 'an', 'example']
(a, b,
On 2023-02-26, Barry Scott wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 23:45, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> I think it is the case that x += 1 is atomic but foo.x += 1 is not.
>
> No that is not true, and has never been true.
>
>:>>> def x(a):
>:... a += 1
>:...
>:>>>
>:>>> dis.dis(x)
> 1 0 RESU
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:45:12 PM UTC-8, Hen Hanna wrote:
> def Lisprint(x): print( ' (' + ', '.join(x) + ')' , '\n')
>
> a= ' a b c ? def f x if zero? x 0 1 '
> a += ' A B C ! just an example '
> x= a.split()
>
> print(x)
> Lisprint(x)
>
> ['a', 'b', 'c', '?', 'def', 'f', 'x',
within Vim, do
:smile
___
To move text-Lines between files --- i do this (below) Maybe there's a
better (or more standard) way, but i've been doing this for 30+ years, so i'll
prob. keep doing it.
i have these in my .vimrc file.
On 2023-02-26, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 16:16, Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> wrote:
>> On 2023-02-25, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> > The GIL is an evil thing, but it has been around for so long that most
>> > of us have gotten used to it, and some user code actually relies on it.
>>
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:17:46 -0800 (PST), Hen Hanna wrote:
> To move text-Lines between files --- i do this (below) Maybe
> there's a better (or more standard) way, but i've been doing this for
> 30+ years, so i'll prob. keep doing it.
>
You can use the buffers.
"a yy will add the cur
Re-indenting Lisp code is =%
and it works really well !
(define (foo x)
(dotimes (i 100)
(bar bar x)))
--- it doesn't work as well for Python code.
(doing 5==
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 6:41:01 AM UTC-8, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 2/25/2023 8:12 PM, Hen Hanna wrote:
> > 2. the rude guy ('dn') hasn't offered a single word of comment that's
> > directly relevant to it.
> > > but he did offer related stuff which he thinks i should be
> >
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:18:22 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Just because.
>
> from math import gcd
> def fizz(n: int) -> str:
>match gcd(n, 15):
> case 3: return "Fizz"
> case 5: return "Buzz"
> case 15: return "FizzBuzz"
>
Rob Cliffe should stop sending me rude email messages.
At the very least, Rob Cliffe should stop sending me ANY email messages, if
he doesn't intend to an email i've sent him.
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On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:28:41 AM UTC-8, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:17:46 -0800 (PST), Hen Hanna wrote:
>
>
> > To move text-Lines between files --- i do this (below) Maybe
> > there's a better (or more standard) way, but i've been doing this for
> > 30+ years, so i'
[I replied to the list, but for some reason my posts don't always get through,
so I'm replying to you separately.]
i guess if you have anything useful to say you can do
that again.
Your comments about (not "int") (whch didn't get
through, appar
On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 3:49 PM Hen Hanna wrote:
>
> Rob Cliffe should stop sending me rude email messages.
You should stop spamming this lists with with meaningless posts.
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> And yet, it appears that *something* changed between Python 2 and Python
3 such that it *is* atomic:
I haven't looked, but something to check in the source is opcode
prediction. It's possible that after the BINARY_OP executes, opcode
prediction jumps straight to the STORE_FAST opcode, avoiding t
>
> is there any reason to prefer"over' ?
>
Not really. As an old C programmer for many years I used double
quotes"around "strings" and single word around 'c'haracters, because that's
what I was used to. (This was long before triple quoted strings appeared in
the language.)
Aside: G
Dang auto-correct... Should read
... double quotes around "strings" and single quotes around 'c'haracters ...
On Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 6:28 PM Skip Montanaro
wrote:
> is there any reason to prefer"over' ?
>>
>
> Not really. As an old C programmer for many years I used double
> quotes
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 10:42, Jon Ribbens via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2023-02-26, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 16:16, Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> > wrote:
> >> On 2023-02-25, Paul Rubin wrote:
> >> > The GIL is an evil thing, but it has been around for so long that most
>
On 2023-02-26 16:56, Hen Hanna wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 6:41:01 AM UTC-8, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 2/25/2023 8:12 PM, Hen Hanna wrote:
> 2. the rude guy ('dn') hasn't offered a single word of comment that's directly relevant to it.
> > but he did offer related stuff which
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 12:44, MRAB wrote:
> Oh dear. An example of Godwin's Law.
Yeah, is that finally enough to get this user banned already?
ChrisA
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 5:46 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 12:44, MRAB wrote:
> > Oh dear. An example of Godwin's Law.
>
> Yeah, is that finally enough to get this user banned ?
I hope so
>
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On 2/26/2023 8:40 PM, MRAB wrote:
On 2023-02-26 16:56, Hen Hanna wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 6:41:01 AM UTC-8, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 2/25/2023 8:12 PM, Hen Hanna wrote: > 2. the rude guy ('dn')
hasn't offered a single word of comment that's directly relevant to
it. > > b
I so rarely need to save a list in python in a form acceptable to LISP but here
is a go with no visible recursion needed.
>>> nested = [1, 2, [3, 4, [5, 6, 7], 8], 9]
>>> print(nested)
[1, 2, [3, 4, [5, 6, 7], 8], 9]
# Just converting to a tuple does not change nested lists
>>> print(tuple(nest
I wanted to provide an example that your claimed atomicity is simply wrong,
but I found there is something different in the 3.10+ cpython
implementations.
I've tested the code at the bottom of this message using a few docker
python images, and it appears there is a difference starting in 3.10.0
p
Only sometimes.
Is it an insult to suggest the question about what quotes to use is quite
basic? Python has a wide variety of ways to make a string and if you have text
that contains one kind of quote, you can nest it in the other kind. Otherwise,
it really does not matter.
And, yes, there are
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69993959/python-threads-difference-for-3-10-and-others
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/4958f5d69dd2bf86866c43491caf72f774ddec97
it's a quirk of implementation. the scheduler currently only checks if it
needs to release the gil after the POP_JUMP_IF_FAL
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 17:28, Michael Speer wrote:
>
> https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/4958f5d69dd2bf86866c43491caf72f774ddec97
>
> it's a quirk of implementation. the scheduler currently only checks if it
> needs to release the gil after the POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE, POP_JUMP_IF_TRUE,
> JUMP_AB
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