Aw: Re: The task is to invent names for things

> Karsten Hilbert writes: > >ite is the -te form (in some uses like a gerundium) of aru > >(to go, to walk) > > This form, "行って", is written with two "t", as "itte", > in many transcriptions to convey the gemination (っ) of > the "t". There is, however, "ite", "居て", the -te form of > "居る"

Re: New assignmens ...

Op 27/10/2021 om 20:20 schreef Avi Gross: I think anyone who suggests we should separate costs from benefits belongs securely within the academic world and should remain there. Practical things need to be built considering costs. Theoretical things, sure, cost is not an issue. Seperating co

Re: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

The proposal is very interesting, my only concern is readability unless a team has a tool check and flag it out as a process. Else i fear one day i'll be seeing =+_+= in Python code. But jokes aside @Avi why would someone want to immediately add a 2 after walrus defining it? in :+=2 Kind Regards

Re: New assignmens ...

Op 27/10/2021 om 17:05 schreef Christman, Roger Graydon: I'm going to provide two loop-and-a-half segments to illustrate my interpretation of this PEP and the purpose of the walrus operator: [ first example ] Now contrast with this example: Without the walrus: replay = True while replay:

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Re: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

On 2021-10-27 22:15:09 -0400, Avi Gross via Python-list wrote: > But a serious question is now that we sort of have UNICODE, and even many > editors and other programs support it, perhaps it might make sense for some > operations in computer languages to make use of them. I have thought so since t

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Re: New assignmens ...

On 2021-10-28, Paul Rubin wrote: > Chris Angelico writes: >> But it all depends on the exact process being done, which is why I've >> been asking for real examples. > > My most frequent use case for walrus is so common that I have sometimes > implemented a special class for it: > >if g := re.

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

Who cares? On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:47 PM Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer < arj.pyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Chris @Peter > > > See that famous benchmark > > https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20 > > Like routinely PHP frameworks appear higher up than py > -- > https://mail.python.or

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

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RE: Re: The task is to invent names for things

Names can be taken too far as the same variable may have different connotations in one place than another. Say I am counting how many of something and incrementing variable HowMany as I go along and initialized to zero. Then I want to test if I have any and instead of: if (HowMany > 0) I

RE: New assignmens ...

Antoon, You keep beating a dead horse. NOBODY denies there are benefits to suggestions like the one we are describing. It is a logical fallacy to keep arguing this way. And nobody (meaning me) suggests costs are a dominant factor in decisions no matter the benefits. The realistic suggest

Re: New assignmens ...

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:37 AM Avi Gross via Python-list wrote: > Now for a dumb question. Many languages allow a form of setting a variable to > a value like: > > assign(var, 5+sin(x)) > > If we had a function that then returned var or the value of var, cleanly, > then would th

Re: The task is to invent names for things

IMHO, I prefer really weird names. For example if I'm not sure how to name a class that I'm coding, I name it like XXXYYY (literally). Really ugly. This is a way to avoid the so called "naming paralysis". Once I finish coding the class I look back and it should be easy to see "what it does" and

RE: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

Good points, Peter. Although we are discussing Python, I think it would be reasonable to look a bit more broadly. Ages ago, IBM used a different encoding than ASCII called EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code ) which let them use all 8 bits and thus add additional symbols. ± ¦

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

I don't think there's anything meaningful being compared in that so-called "benchmark" at all. There is no evidence that its worth even the smallest bit of attention. You want to write a web service? Do it. Use Python or PHP, or whatever you prefer. Do you think your service is "slow"? You won't k

Re: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:53 AM Avi Gross via Python-list wrote: > Is there a reasonable extension to a keyboard that might be reasonable, > perhaps with an accommodation to those without such a keyboard so that > entering some sequence gets it converted into what you want on the screen > but more

Re: Get a Joke in Python

QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 9 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a sfdeljknesv. LoL joel.d...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. Oktober 2021 um 21:00:29 UTC+2: > Get a Joke in Python. Pyjokes - is a python library / module for one lin

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:17 AM Calvin Spealman wrote: > > I don't think there's anything meaningful being compared in that so-called > "benchmark" at all. There is no evidence that its worth even the smallest > bit of attention. > > You want to write a web service? Do it. Use Python or PHP, or wh

Re: Get a Joke in Python

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:31 AM Mostowski Collapse wrote: > > QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. > Orders 9 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. > Orders a sfdeljknesv. > Orders 1 пиво and is served a пиво. QA engineer sighs "not again". ChrisA -- https

RE: The task is to invent names for things

Stefan, I choose not to get involved in a discussion about arbitrary naming rules as many languages and programmers have their own ideas and preferences and rules. My examples were EXAMPLES and the actual names are irrelevant. Feel free not to use them and I assure you I have no plans to either

RE: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

Thank, Chris. I found and installed one from here: https://github.com/samhocevar/wincompose My right ALT key now lets me type in all kinds of nonsense like ⑦ and © and ß and ℵ0 and ⅔ and ≠ and ⇒ and ♬and although :- makes ÷ I see := makes ≔ which is just a longer equals sign. Not sure this

Re: Get a Joke in Python

On 29/10/21 11:34 am, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:31 AM Mostowski Collapse wrote: QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 9 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a sfdeljknesv. Orders 1 пиво and is served a пиво. QA engin

Re: walrus with a twist :+= or ...

On 2021-10-28, Avi Gross via Python-list wrote: > I see := makes ≔ which is just a longer equals sign. On my screen it's an assignment operator that looks like := only a bit smaller. > Not sure this mailing list allows this stuff, so if your mailer does > not show it, never mind. Everything re

Re: Get a Joke in Python

On 2021-10-28, Greg Ewing wrote: > On 29/10/21 11:34 am, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:31 AM Mostowski Collapse >> wrote: >>> QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. >>> Orders 9 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. >>> Orders a sfdeljknesv.

Re: Get a Joke in Python

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:29 PM Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: > > On 2021-10-28, Greg Ewing wrote: > > On 29/10/21 11:34 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:31 AM Mostowski Collapse > >> wrote: > >>> QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. > >>> O

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

I care, and I suspect the OP does too. Usually machine time doesn't matter as much as developer time, but API overhead Can matter - especially on a busy server. I wonder if Pypy would do any better? Or Micropython? Or Cython? CPython != Python. Sometimes this group reminds me of a certain lar

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:49 PM Dan Stromberg wrote: > > I care, and I suspect the OP does too. Usually machine time doesn't matter > as much as developer time, but API overhead Can matter - especially on a > busy server. > > I wonder if Pypy would do any better? Or Micropython? Or Cython? > >

Re: New assignmens ...

Op 28/10/2021 om 19:36 schreef Avi Gross via Python-list: Antoon, You keep beating a dead horse. NOBODY denies there are benefits to suggestions like the one we are describing. It is a logical fallacy to keep arguing this way. Please point to the specific logical falacy you think I am co

Re: Why so fast a web framework?

Well, They don't choose languages per se but choose frameworks based on that and ... by virtue of that choose languages. Like just to get faster web services. The benchmark is pretty much referred to in the Python world, web side like https://www.starlette.io/ "Independent TechEmpower benchmarks