Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Avi Gross" writes:
> > Given some notice, what stops anyone from joining the mailing list before
> > there is a divorce between the forums?
>
> Some of us don't want to be on mailing lists, and prefer using news
> client software.
I am in agreement here, if a list/group is
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On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/5/21 10:44 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> As someone with a long usenet background, converting the existing group
>>> to moderated would be practically impossible. It just isn't done. It
>>> would need t
> Are you unaware that the group is already gatewayed to a moderated
> mailing list for which all of that work is already done?
What is this moderation of which you speak? I'm one of the Python
postmasters (I maintain the SpamBayes setup) and am aware of a
multi-part tool chain (black hole lists,
On 06/05/2021 14.11, Mr Flibble wrote:
Python is slow
Maybe it's for your OS is slow by nature
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On 2021-05-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> Are you unaware that the group is already gatewayed to a moderated
>> mailing list for which all of that work is already done?
>
> What is this moderation of which you speak? I'm one of the Python
> postmasters (I maintain the SpamBayes setup) and am aware o
On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/5/21 10:44 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
As someone with a long usenet background, converting the existing group
to moderated would be pra
On 5/6/21 9:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>> Are you unaware that the group is already gatewayed to a moderated
>>> mailing list for which all of that work is already done?
>> What is this moderation of which you speak? I'm one of the Python
>> p
> Are you saying that the messages that appear occasionally from people
> such as Ethan Furman claiming to be moderators and alleging that
> particular people have been banned or suspended are lies? And that the
> message I received once saying that my comp.lang.python post had been
> rejected from
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> I think you're fundamentally missing the point that the newsgroup is
>> *already gatewayed to the mailing list*. Marking the group moderated
>> will not result in any more work for the moderators. In fac
On 2021-05-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> Are you saying that the messages that appear occasionally from people
>> such as Ethan Furman claiming to be moderators and alleging that
>> particular people have been banned or suspended are lies? And that the
>> message I received once saying that my comp
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 9:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> Are you saying that the messages that appear occasionally from people
>> such as Ethan Furman claiming to be moderators and alleging that
>> particular people have been banned or suspended are lies? And
"Slow" is in the eye of the beholder and depends on the job the needs to be
done. Where I work, we write scripts in Python that control our measuring
instruments, make them acquire data and compute results, the Python script
reads the results, compares results to limits, and eventually produces
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> If the idea is just to provide a NNTP accessible version of the mailing
> list, than perhaps rather than a comp.* group, putting it on gmane would
> be a viable option, that avoids some of the Usenet issues.
The list _is_ on gmane and has been since forever.
On 5/5/21 1:07 PM, Jan van den Broek wrote:
On 2021-05-05, Jim Byrnes wrote:
On 5/5/21 9:39 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
On 05/05/2021 16:10, Ethan Furman wrote:
I see your messages twice (occasionally with other posters as well).
I have no idea how to fix it.?? :(
OK, I'll try another option fr
On 2021-05-06, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM Avi Gross via Python-list
> wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Given some notice, what stops anyone from joining the mailing list before
>> there is a divorce between the forums?
>
> Nothing! Nothing at all. That is, if you're talking a
It was high time đź‘Ť a proposal like that came up
We have seen from time to time some comp lang
interruptions ~
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On 5/5/21 10:33 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
I, for one, wish more mailing lists did have newsgroup access (I also
wish for the demise of Google Groups, but short of a large explosive in
Mountain View, doubt that will come to pass). Instead everything is being
splintered into smaller a
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM Avi Gross via Python-list
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> Given some notice, what stops anyone from joining the mailing list before
> >> there is a divorce between the forums?
> >
> > Nothing! No
I will also add that it can get confusing when someone replies to a
newsgroup posting that was originally suppressed to the mailing list.
This has happened as recently as today.
On Thu, 2021-05-06 at 14:36 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Thu, May 6, 2021
On 2021-05-06, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> Granted, I did move from pure comp.lang.python to
> gmane.comp.python.general when the spam became too much to keep
> track of. (Now if I could only figure out why the beaglebone group
> stopped accepting replies via gmane -- I keep having to remember to
> > Not that I support shutting down the Usenet/email gateway -- the
> > signal/noise ration seems fine to me.
> >
> On that I quite agree. :-)
I remind people that the existing Usenet<->Mail gateway keeps the
mailing list software on mail.python.org from migrating to Mailman 3.
I'm sure Mark Sap
On 2021-05-06, Chris Green wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Pointing a newsreader at news.gmane.io allows one to participate in
>> the mailing list just fine without using Usenet.
>>
> ??? Surely that *is* using Usenet, at least you're using NNTP which
> is the Usenet protocol. What's "not U
On 5/6/21 6:11 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Python is slow and significant whitespace is patently absurd.
>
> Bloody rubbish, it's all bloody rubbish.
>
> Message ends.
>
> /Flibble
>
Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
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On 5/5/21 8:58 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Mr Flibble writes:
>
>> Python is slow and significant whitespace is patently absurd.
>
> Why am I not surprised to learn your "fast" implementation turns out to
> be something other than python?
And it's bizarre that the OP, since he despises Python so
On 5/6/21 9:44 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>>> I think you're fundamentally missing the point that the newsgroup is
>>> *already gatewayed to the mailing list*. Marking the group moderated
>>>
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Chris Green wrote:
> > Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> >> Pointing a newsreader at news.gmane.io allows one to participate in
> >> the mailing list just fine without using Usenet.
> >>
> > ??? Surely that *is* using Usenet, at least you're using NNTP which
> >
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 9:44 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> Sounds like nearly all moderated lists/forums then.
>
> Then perhaps you have never been on a real Moderated mailing list or
> Forum.
Ah, the "no true scotsforum" argument ;-)
>>> While you could setup
Where's this discussion going?
Let's not get too caught up on definitions or the sizes of everyone's
respective .. newsgroups.
Which of the practically possible options are best for this list <->
newsgroup setup?
Thanks
Steve
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:47 PM Jon Ribbens via Python-list <
python-
>
> Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
>
Pshaa... All you need are front panel switches. ;-) (Yes, I had a professor
who required is to 'key' in our programs on the front panel, of a rack
mounted PDP-11 as I recall. Needless to say, we didn't use an assembler
On 2021-05-06, Stestagg wrote:
> Where's this discussion going?
>
> Let's not get too caught up on definitions or the sizes of everyone's
> respective .. newsgroups.
>
> Which of the practically possible options are best for this list <->
> newsgroup setup?
As before I'd suggest that changing the
I do not believe my proposal has reached—or will reach—consensus. It
seems there are some who still value the linkage between the two, and
the S/N ratio is indeed low enough it doesn't warrant changing from the
status quo. Thanks everyone for the consideration and discussion.Â
Paul
On Thu, 2021-0
Am 06.05.21 um 19:54 schrieb Skip Montanaro:
Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
Pshaa... All you need are front panel switches. ;-) (Yes, I had a professor
who required is to 'key' in our programs on the front panel, of a rack
mounted PDP-11 as I recall.
Skip Montanaro writes:
>>
>> Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
>>
>
> Pshaa... All you need are front panel switches. ;-) (Yes, I had a professor
> who required is to 'key' in our programs on the front panel, of a rack
> mounted PDP-11 as I recall. Needless
Actually, Joe, putting in any serious program using toggle switches without
anything like a BACKSPACE was very hard as I often had to abort and start
again. Doing it twice the same way, Argh
Luckily, I only had to do it a few times to learn just like I had to write
assembler programs o
On 06/05/2021 11.53, Wayne Lodahl wrote:
On 5/6/21 6:11 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
Python is slow and significant whitespace is patently absurd.
Bloody rubbish, it's all bloody rubbish.
Message ends.
/Flibble
Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
That's what
On Thursday 06 May 2021 13:54:23 Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a
> > hexpad.
>
> Pshaa... All you need are front panel switches. ;-) (Yes, I had a
> professor who required is to 'key' in our programs on the front panel,
> of a rack mounte
On 2021-05-06, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 5/5/21 8:58 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Mr Flibble writes:
>>
>>> Python is slow and significant whitespace is patently absurd.
>>
>> Why am I not surprised to learn your "fast" implementation turns out to
>> be something other than python?
>
> And it's
On 2021-05-06, Chris Green wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2021-05-06, Chris Green wrote:
>> > Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pointing a newsreader at news.gmane.io allows one to participate in
>> >> the mailing list just fine without using Usenet.
>> >>
>> > ??? Surely that *is* using U
@Gene Heskett That ran deep. I was going
to ask you were doing in PythonLand but you
answered it at the end. Maybe i should ask what
made you interested in Python in the first place?
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On 5/6/21 11:05 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2021-05-06, Stestagg wrote:
>> Where's this discussion going?
>>
>> Which of the practically possible options are best for this list <->
>> newsgroup setup?
>
> And it appears even the suggestion that
> Mailman 3 cannot be used while a g
On 2021-05-06 21:35, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2021 13:54:23 Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a
> hexpad.
Pshaa... All you need are front panel switches. ;-) (Yes, I had a
professor who required is to 'key' in our programs on
My opinion on all this: The volume in this newsgroup is nowhere
near high enough to be worth changing anything.
This thread itself now contains more messages than the recent
neopython trollage that prompted it.
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