On 3/19/17, Pavol Lisy wrote:
> On 3/18/17, Nathan Ernst wrote:
> PS. I am "spacist" :P but I feel this a little more aggressive than is
> necessary too:
>
>> Feel free to start your own discussion forum for your new programming
>> language that forbids spaces for indentation. That language will
On 3/19/17, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Pavol Lisy wrote:
>> In case of spaces there is not discrepancy. pep8 and similar linters
>> could work fine without incompatible configurations.
> I don't like the pep8 tool; its name implies far more authority than
> it actu
Windows users (quite reasonably IMO) expect installs to "just work".
If Python needs extra bits it should ask the user if it can go get them and if
they say Yes it should do just that. (And this should actually work -- unlike
maybe, the Python 3.5 Windows installer.)
And as for searching Google
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Pavol Lisy wrote:
> On 3/19/17, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Pavol Lisy wrote:
>
>>> In case of spaces there is not discrepancy. pep8 and similar linters
>>> could work fine without incompatible configurations.
>
>> I don't like the p
On 2017-03-18, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Nathan Ernst wrote:
>> My rule of thumb: tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment (i.e. trying
>> to line up anything after a non-whitespace character on a single line).
>
> My rule of thumb: tabs for indentation, and don't
On 2017-03-18, Nathan Ernst wrote:
> As I said earlier, where tabs are superior in that most code focused
> editors (at least those worth using) allow you to adjust the width of the
> tab.
What about all other other text tools that _aren't_ 'code focused
editors'? (e.g. grep, less, cat, awk, se
On 19 March 2017 at 02:05, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Steve D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> Is it also ridiculous to use several newlines to space paragraphs
>>> vertically?
>>
>> At least with paragraphs, we don't have eternal debates between people
>>
Robert O'Shea wrote:
> I just want to get into the basics for the moment, eventually getting into
> stuff like machine learning and NLP (Natural Language Processing).
You cannot do wrong by starting with NLTK (https://www.nltk.org/) and
scikit (http://scikit-learn.org/)
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On 19 March 2017 at 01:32, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 03:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> tabs are a major security vulnerability and should be outlawed
>> in all source code.
>
>
> I've heard many arguments both in favour of and against tabs, but I've never
> heard them described
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 01:27 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2017-03-18, Nathan Ernst wrote:
>
>> As I said earlier, where tabs are superior in that most code focused
>> editors (at least those worth using) allow you to adjust the width of the
>> tab.
>
> What about all other other text tools that _
Jon Ribbens writes:
> On 2017-03-18, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2017-03-18, Mikhail V wrote:
>>> How would one come to the idea to use spaces for indentation at all?
>>
>> Because tabs are a major security vulnerability and should be outlawed
>> in all source code.
>
> You forgot to mention tha
hello i have create a python script when read some files using paths and do
something with that files.
if that paths for files is in english likes this "c:/my_path/english " then
python script working but if that paths is in my main language or the path
have some blank character then not workin
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> I wonder whether the tabs versus spaces divide is closely aligned to the
> Windows versus Unix/Linux divide?
>
> It seems to me that Unix users are typically going to be using Unix tools
> which often assume spaces are used for indentation,
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:38 AM, Xristos Xristoou wrote:
> hello i have create a python script when read some files using paths and do
> something with that files.
> if that paths for files is in english likes this "c:/my_path/english " then
> python script working but if that paths is in my ma
Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos Xristoou
έγραψε:
how to define my script with encoding of ISO-8859-7 or UTF-8?and for the
blanks ?
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On 3/19/2017 7:20 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The tool "pep8" is inappropriately named. No linter should use this
name. It implies a level of authority by linking with a very specific
document.
At Guido's request, the name was changed to 'pycodestyle'. See the note
at the top of
https://pep8.
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Xristos Xristoou wrote:
> Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos Xristoou
> έγραψε:
>
> how to define my script with encoding of ISO-8859-7 or UTF-8?and for the
> blanks ?
First, try using Python 3. Most of the time, that will be t
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 7:20 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> The tool "pep8" is inappropriately named. No linter should use this
>> name. It implies a level of authority by linking with a very specific
>> document.
>
>
> At Guido's request, the name was ch
On 3/19/2017 1:38 PM, Xristos Xristoou wrote:
hello i have create a python script when read some files using paths and do
something with that files.
if that paths for files is in english likes this "c:/my_path/english " then
python script working but if that paths is in my main language
Non-
Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos Xristoou
έγραψε:
yes that i know but i need python 2.7 for my task
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On 18 March 2017 at 22:50, Nathan Ernst wrote:
> My issue with using spaces instead of tabs, is that, as mentioned earlier in
> the thread, everyone has their own preferences on indentation. I've worked
> on teams where different developers used 2, 3 & 4 spaces as indentation.
> Obviously, if you'
Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos Xristoou
έγραψε:
@Terry non-ascii in pathnames i need for ex :var1="C:\Users\username\Desktop\my
language\mylanguage\myfile" and for the blank ?
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Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Unix tools
which often assume spaces are used for indentation, and consequently cope
badly with tabs. I maintain that makes them "broken" tools,
They're not broken in the context of Unix, where there is a
long-standing convention of assuming tab stops every 8 columns.
From
Mikhail V wrote:
Monospaced text rendering is an artifact,
which exist on a very short time period in history.
At best, one should just imagine it should not exist, and is
just a temporary inconvinience. Actually it lasts already much
longer than I would expect.
The fact that it *has* lasted so
On 03/18/2017 05:01 PM, Nathan Ernst wrote:
[...]
Personally, I dislike any editor that, by default, changes my input to
something else. If I hit tab, I want a tab to be inserted, by default. If I
want something else, I'll change the configuration.
A trivial point (and irrelevant)... The thing
On 2017-03-19, breamore...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 9:54:52 PM UTC, Larry Hudson wrote:
>> A trivial point (and irrelevant)... The thing I find annoying
>> about an editor set to expand tabs to spaces is that it takes one
>> keypress to indent but four (or whatever) to unin
On 19 March 2017 at 22:54, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Mikhail V wrote:
>>
>> Monospaced text rendering is an artifact,
>> which exist on a very short time period in history.
>> At best, one should just imagine it should not exist, and is
>> just a temporary inconvinience. Actually it lasts already muc
On Sunday, 19 March 2017 03:16:17 UTC, Arthur Darcet wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 at 23:29, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>
> > On 03/18/2017 05:15 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > So the question is: How well do you trust the examples? Are they
> > > likely to be instructing you in a safe way to use this
>
Gregory Ewing :
> Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>> Unix tools which often assume spaces are used for indentation, and
>> consequently cope badly with tabs. I maintain that makes them
>> "broken" tools,
>
> They're not broken in the context of Unix, where there is a
> long-standing convention of assuming t
On 3/19/2017 3:57 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 3/19/2017 7:20 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The tool "pep8" is inappropriately named. No linter should use this
name. It implies a level of authority by linking with a very specific
document.
At
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Mikhail V wrote:
> [regarding monospaced text]
> Or, for example collision detection, which is part
> of mouse text selection algorithm is much simpler, etc.
> These are IMO main reasons why it still often used.
I work extensively with MUDs, where traditionally AS
On 19/03/17 22:29, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2017-03-19, breamore...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 9:54:52 PM UTC, Larry Hudson wrote:
A trivial point (and irrelevant)... The thing I find annoying
about an editor set to expand tabs to spaces is that it takes one
keypress to indent
Larry Hudson :
> A trivial point (and irrelevant)... The thing I find annoying about an
> editor set to expand tabs to spaces is that it takes one keypress to
> indent but four (or whatever) to unindent.
In emacs' Python mode, if I have entered:
===
On 2017-03-19 20:10, Xristos Xristoou wrote:
Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos Xristoou
έγραψε:
@Terry non-ascii in pathnames i need for ex :var1="C:\Users\username\Desktop\my
language\mylanguage\myfile" and for the blank ?
Your choices are:
1. Raw string li
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:48 am, Xristos Xristoou wrote:
> Τη Κυριακή, 19 Μαρτίου 2017 - 7:38:19 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Xristos
> Xristoou έγραψε:
>
> how to define my script with encoding of ISO-8859-7 or UTF-8?and for the
> blanks ?
First you need to know whether your editor is saving the file
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> At Guido's request, the name was changed to 'pycodestyle'. See the note
>>> at
>>> the top of
>>> https://pep8.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.7.x/
>>>
>>> This really should be noted also at the top of
>>> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8/1.7
On 2017-03-19, Erik wrote:
> On 19/03/17 22:29, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Not to mention plenty of editors (e.g. vim) will unindent when you
>> press backspace.
>
> I don't think that's strictly true. If you have just indented with a tab
> character, then backspace will delete that tab character. But
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:50 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> the 8-column interpretation is the only defensible use for
> tabs.
Oh, that's a law of physics is it? "8 columns per tab" is one of the
fundamental mathematical or physical constants baked into the nature of
reality, like
π ≈ 3.14159...
e ≈
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> Oh, that's a law of physics is it? "8 columns per tab" is one of the
> fundamental mathematical or physical constants baked into the nature of
> reality, like
>
> π ≈ 3.14159...
> e ≈ 2.71828...
> Feigenbaum constant δ ≈ 4.66920...
> gravit
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:00 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Steve D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> I wonder whether the tabs versus spaces divide is closely aligned to the
>> Windows versus Unix/Linux divide?
>>
>> It seems to me that Unix users are typically going to be using Unix
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> Or perhaps "just that one guy": here is JMZ, who says it is "impossible" to
> do anything with a text file unless you know what a TAB character
> represents:
>
> I just care that two people editing the same file use the same
>
On 19/03/17 23:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2017-03-19, Erik wrote:
On 19/03/17 22:29, Jon Ribbens wrote:
Not to mention plenty of editors (e.g. vim) will unindent when you
press backspace.
I don't think that's strictly true. If you have just indented with a tab
character, then backspace will d
Hi:
I want to port the 'azure-iot-sdk-python' to my router(arm
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:06 PM, MRAB wrote:
>
> If you're using Unicode string literals, your choices are:
>
> 1. Raw string literals:
>
> var1 = ur"C:\Users\username\Desktop\η γλωσσα μου\mylanguage\myfile"
Raw unicode literals are practically useless in Python 2. They're not
actually raw b
On 3/19/2017 7:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
In the docs link you posted, scroll down a bit:
https://pep8.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.7.x/intro.html#installation
Or maybe that's outdated and also needs to be fixed?
It is up to date for the latest outdated 'pep8'. It is needed for
someone re
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 7:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> In the docs link you posted, scroll down a bit:
>>
>> https://pep8.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.7.x/intro.html#installation
>>
>> Or maybe that's outdated and also needs to be fixed?
>
>
> It is u
On 2017-03-20 02:50, eryk sun wrote:
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:06 PM, MRAB wrote:
If you're using Unicode string literals, your choices are:
1. Raw string literals:
var1 = ur"C:\Users\username\Desktop\η γλωσσα μου\mylanguage\myfile"
Raw unicode literals are practically useless in Pyth
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