Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Ben Finney
Scott W Dunning writes: > I had a question regarding functions. Is there a way to call a > function multiple times without recalling it over and over. You should ask question like this on the “python-tutor” forum. I say that because this question suggests you have yet to learn about basic Pytho

Re: Wheezy.web - is it been developed?

2014-02-23 Thread Andriy Kornatskyy
Marcio, The existence of forum site / mailing list does not guarantee your problem will be solved. The bitbucket.org doesn’t offer mailing list feature, however you can subscribe to any changes happening by following me or concrete project there. The specific issues can be tracked down to comm

Re: Wheezy.web - is it been developed?

2014-02-23 Thread Andriy Kornatskyy
Chris, Your comments are very valuable. I didn’t find any free mailman lists, so it appears google groups is the only option. Thanks. Andriy Kornatskyy On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:48 AM, wrote: >> Let's open a group for Wheezy.web. I'm ju

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 22:43:17 -0700, Scott W Dunning wrote: > Hello, > > I had a question regarding functions. Is there a way to call a function > multiple times without recalling it over and over. Meaning is there a > way I can call a function and then add *5 or something like that? Sorry, I

Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread twiz
Hello, I'm sure this is a common question but I can't seem to find a previous thread that addresses it. If one one exists, please point me to it. I've been developing with python recreationally for a while on Ubuntu but will soon be transitioning to full-time python development. I have the o

Re: Wheezy.web - is it been developed?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote: > Chris, > > Your comments are very valuable. I didn’t find any free mailman lists, so it > appears google groups is the only option. The easiest way is usually to just host one. I couldn't find any mailing list about Alice in Wonderland,

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, twiz wrote: > I'm sure this is a common question but I can't seem to find a previous thread > that addresses it. If one one exists, please point me to it. > > I've been developing with python recreationally for a while on Ubuntu but > will soon be transitioning

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Andriy Kornatskyy
I used to do core python development using debian linux (gnome). All way long work just fine. However recently I have had a chance to try MacOS X 10.8 and later 10.9. I used macports.org to setup everything I found “missing”. Vim works fine regardless the platform… quite happy. Thanks. Andriy

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Steven D'Aprano : > The big difference is that in "fixed location" languages, it makes > sense to talk about the address of a *variable*. The address could be a symbol, too. The Python statement xyz = 3 places a number in the address "xyz". You can read the value from the address "xyz" wit

Re: Google app engine database

2014-02-23 Thread Kev Dwyer
glenn.a.is...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there a way to make sure that whenever you're making google engine app > iterations to a database that that info does not get wiped/deleted. > Please advise It's not clear what you mean here; I'll guess that by "iterations" you mean "changes" by "database" you

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread twiz
Hi Chris, thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree. The main consideration is always the development experience. However, I do know that python has had some problems with other OSs (notoriously windows) and I want to avoid unnecessary compatibility issues. Can you elaborate on some of the proble

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM, twiz wrote: > Can you elaborate on some of the problems running python on OSX (or point me > to a relavant link)? You could poke around on the archives of this list and python-dev, but the best link I have handy is this, which has only a brief note: http://www.p

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steven D'Aprano : > >> The big difference is that in "fixed location" languages, it makes >> sense to talk about the address of a *variable*. > > The address could be a symbol, too. > > The Python statement > >xyz = 3 > > places a number

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:52:05 +0200, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steven D'Aprano : > >> The big difference is that in "fixed location" languages, it makes >> sense to talk about the address of a *variable*. > > The address could be a symbol, too. > > The Python statement > >xyz = 3 > > places

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico : > That's the exact line of thinking that leads to problems. You are not > placing a number at the address "xyz", you are pointing the name "xyz" > to the number 3. That number still exists elsewhere. And? In C, I can say: Number *o = malloc(sizeof *o); o->value = 3; Your

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > As for Python, there's nothing in the Python specification that would > prevent you from having, say, 63-bit integers as representing > themselves. IOW, you could physically place such integers as themselves > as the reference and the numbe

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Günther Dietrich
twiz wrote: >I've been developing with python recreationally for a while on Ubuntu but will >soon be transitioning to full-time python development. I have the option of >using a Mac or Ubuntu environment and I'd like to hear any thoughts on the >pros and cons of each. I've been working with

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM, twiz wrote: > > Can you elaborate on some of the problems running python on OSX (or point > > me to a relavant link)? > > You could poke around on the archives of this list and python-dev, but > the best link I have handy i

WORLD FAMOUS EVOLUTIONIST IN PRISON -- THE THRINAXODON TIMES

2014-02-23 Thread TERMINATOR OF TALK.ORIGINS
== > BREAKING NEWS == > RICHARD LEAKEY RECENTLY SENT TO PRISON AFTER BEING CAUGHT SCAMMING MILLIONS OF YOUNG PEOPLE INTO THE SCAM OF EVOLUTION. > THRINAXODON, WHO WAS THE LEAD PROSECUTOR SAID THIS TO THE NY TIMES: It strikes me silly that on

[ANN] pyOpenSSL 0.14

2014-02-23 Thread exarkun
Greetings fellow Pythoneers, I'm happy to announce that pyOpenSSL 0.14 is now available. pyOpenSSL is a set of Python bindings for OpenSSL. It includes some low-level cryptography APIs but is primarily focused on providing an API for using the TLS protocol from Python. Check out the PyPI pa

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> As for Python, there's nothing in the Python specification that would >> prevent you from having, say, 63-bit integers as representing >> themselves. IOW, you could physically place such integers as >> themselves as the

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Or id(n) == 2 ** 64 + n for 63-bit integers; other objects get the > RAM address of the internal ḿemory block: > >>>> id(5) >18446744073709551621 >>>> id([]) >3074657068 >>>> id(id([])) >18446744076784207372 Assuming

[RELEASED] Python 3.3.5 release candidate 1

2014-02-23 Thread Georg Brandl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team, I'm happy to announce the release of Python 3.3.5, release candidate 1. Python 3.3.5 includes a fix for a regression in zipimport in 3.3.4 (see http://bugs.python.org/issue20621) and a few other bugs. Python

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/23/2014 6:01 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: As for Python, there's nothing in the Python specification that would prevent you from having, say, 63-bit integers as representing themselves. IOW, you could physically place such integers as themselves as the reference and the number would not physic

Problem with the console on the new python.org site

2014-02-23 Thread Pierre Quentel
The new home page of python.org is very nice, congratulations ! But there is a problem with the online console provided by PythonAnywhere : with my azerty keyboard, I can't enter characters such as ) or ] - very annoying ! It this going to be fixed soon ? - Pierre -- https://mail.python.org/m

Re: Can tuples be replaced with lists all the time?

2014-02-23 Thread 88888 Dihedral
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:06:13 PM UTC+8, Sam wrote: > My understanding of Python tuples is that they are like immutable lists. If > this is the cause, why can't we replace tuples with lists all the time (just > don't reassign the lists)? Correct me if I am wrong. == OK, lets be seriou

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico : > id() is (if I recall correctly) supposed to return an integer in the > native range That restriction seems beyond the scope of the language definition. Still, it can be trivially provided for. > In any case, you'd need some way to pretend that every integer is > really an obje

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Terry Reedy : > Special-casing ints to store the value in the reference has been > proposed and rejected. I do not remember how far anyone went in trying > to code the idea, but I doubt that anyone got as far as getting the > test suite to pass. FWIW, elisp essentially does that. Anyway, we are d

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 23/02/2014 21:04, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: And thus, Python variables are barely distinguishable from C variables. To repeat what Terry Reedy said earlier, hogwash. Looks as if I've another member of my dream team, who can proudly sit alongside our self appointed resident unicode expert.

Looking for someone who can build a 64-bit version of SpamBayes installer for Windows

2014-02-23 Thread Skip Montanaro
SpamBayes development has been dormant for several years, however it still has a reasonably good following among the Outlook crowd. (I guess Microsoft has still not provided good spam filtering tools for Outlook?) Anyway, though all of SpamBayes is written in pure Python, there is still a small amo

Re: Can global variable be passed into Python function?

2014-02-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:10:36 +0200, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Terry Reedy : > >> Special-casing ints to store the value in the reference has been >> proposed and rejected. I do not remember how far anyone went in trying >> to code the idea, but I doubt that anyone got as far as getting the >> test

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread alex23
On 23/02/2014 3:43 PM, Scott W Dunning wrote: I had a question regarding functions. Is there a way to call a function multiple times without recalling it over and over. Meaning is there a way I can call a function and then add *5 or something like that? The same way you repeat anything in P

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Rhodri James
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 05:43:17 -, Scott W Dunning wrote: I had a question regarding functions. Is there a way to call a function multiple times without recalling it over and over. Meaning is there a way I can call a function and then add *5 or something like that? The usual way to ca

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: On 23/02/2014 3:43 PM, Scott W Dunning wrote: I had a question regarding functions. Is there a way to call a function multiple times without recalling it over and over. Meaning is there a way I can call a function and then add *5 or something like that? The

Re: Remove comma from tuples in python.

2014-02-23 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 21Feb2014 09:32, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: > > [x*x for (x,) in lst] > > > > [paraphrasing...] can be better written as: > > > > [x*x for [x] in items] > > I'm torn between, "Yes, the second form is distinctly easier to read" > and, "If you think

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Scott W Dunning
On Feb 23, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Sorry, I don't really understand your question. Could you show an example > of what you are doing? > > Do you mean "add 5" or "*5"? "Add *5 doesn't really mean anything to me. Sorry I forgot to add the code that I had to give an example

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Travis Griggs
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 17:09, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > For the benefit of newbies, besides the obvious indentation error above, the > underscore basically acts as a dummy variable. I'll let the language lawyers > give a very detailed, precise description :) You mean a dummy name binding, rig

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread alex23
On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: for _ in range(5): func() the obvious indentation error above Stupid cut&paste :( -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Scott W Dunning
On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > > You should ask question like this on the “python-tutor” forum. Thanks Ben, I wasn’t aware of PythonTutor. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Problem with the console on the new python.org site

2014-02-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:20:15 -0800, Pierre Quentel wrote: > The new home page of python.org is very nice, congratulations ! The best I can say about it is that I'm extremely underwhelmed by the design, which is far more "busy" and colourful than the old design (this is not a complement), and no

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Scott W Dunning
I understood what you meant because I looked up loops in the python documentation since we haven’t got there yet in school. On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:39 PM, alex23 wrote: > On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: >>> >>> for _ in range(5): >>> f

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:39 PM, alex23 wrote: > On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >> On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: >>> >>> >>> for _ in range(5): >>> func() >> >> >> the obvious indentation error above > > > Stupid cut&paste :( > -- Your message came through fine for

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 24/02/2014 02:55, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:39 PM, alex23 wrote: On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: for _ in range(5): func() the obvious indentation error above Stupid cut&paste :( -- Your message c

Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development

2014-02-23 Thread Dave Cook
On 2014-02-23, twiz wrote: > I've been developing with python recreationally for a while on > Ubuntu but will soon be transitioning to full-time python development. > I have the option of using a Mac or Ubuntu environment and I'd like to > hear any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. Specifica

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread MRAB
On 2014-02-24 03:21, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/02/2014 02:55, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:39 PM, alex23 wrote: On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: for _ in range(5): func() the obvious indentation error above

[RELEASED] Python 3.4.0 release candidate 2 is now available

2014-02-23 Thread Larry Hastings
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm delighted to announce the second and final release candidate of Python 3.4. This is a preview release, and its use is not recommended for production settings. Python 3.4 includes a range of improvements of the 3.x series, including hundreds of smal

Re: Functions help

2014-02-23 Thread rurpy
On 02/23/2014 08:21 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 24/02/2014 02:55, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:39 PM, alex23 wrote: >>> On 24/02/2014 11:09 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/02/2014 00:55, alex23 wrote: > for _ in range(5): > func() the obvious i