On Sat, 11 May 2013 01:16:36 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:06 AM, jmfauth wrote:
>> On 8 mai, 15:19, Roy Smith wrote:
>>> Apropos to any of the myriad unicode threads that have been going on
>>> recently:
>>>
>>> http://xkcd.com/1209/
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> This reflect
On Fri, 10 May 2013 17:59:26 +0100, Nobody wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 05:23:59 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> There is no sensible use-case for creating a file without opening it.
>> What would be the point? Any subsequent calls to just about any method
>> will fail. Since you have to open
On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:20:34 +0100, Robert Kern wrote:
> According to Steven's criteria, neither of these are instances of the
> anti-pattern because there are good reasons they are this way. He is
> reducing the anti-pattern to just those cases where there is no reason
> for doing so.
But isn't
On 2013.05.08 18:37, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> And now you've seen why music players don't show the user the
> physical file name, but maintain a database mapping the internal data
> (name, artist, track#, album, etc.) to whatever mangled name was needed
> to satisfy the file system.
Tags ar
On Thu, 9 May 2013 11:33:45 -0600
Ian Kelly wrote:
> about Turing machines and lambda calculus that you've injected into
> the conversation though just reminds me of the "Einstein was wrong"
> cranks.
But Einstein *was* wrong. http://www.xkcd.com/1206/
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>> In the old days, it was useful to have fine-grained control over the
>> file object because you didn't know where it might fail, and the OS
>> didn't necessarily give you give good status codes. So being able to
>> step through the entire process was the job of the progammers.
>
> I don't know
> ...The field needs re-invented and re-centered.[...]
For anyone who want to be involved. See the wikiwikiweb -- a tool
that every programmer should know and use -- and these pages:
ComputerScienceVersionTwo and ObjectOrientedRefactored.
Cheers!
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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:07 AM, rusi wrote:
> On May 10, 8:32 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Ned Batchelder
>> wrote:
>> > On 5/10/2013 11:06 AM, jmfauth wrote:
>>
>> >> On 8 mai, 15:19, Roy Smith wrote:
>>
>> >>> Apropos to any of the myriad unicode threads tha
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> I suspect that the only way to be completely ungoogleable would be to
> name yourself something common, not something obscure. Say, if you called
> yourself "Hard Rock Band", and did hard rock. But then, googling for
> "Heavy Metal" alone br
> Steven, don't be misled. POSIX is not the model to look to -- it does
> not acknowledge that files are actual objects that reside on a piece
> of hardware. It is not simply an integer.
Please disregard this (my own) flame bait.
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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
wrote:
> 8 Dihedral writes:
>
>> This is just the handy style for a non-critical loop.
>> In a critical loop, the number of the total operation counts
>> does matter in the execution speed.
>
> Do you use speed often?
Dihedral is a bot. Quite
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> All this irrelevant nonsense
> about Turing machines and lambda calculus that you've injected into
> the conversation though just reminds me of the "Einstein was wrong"
> cranks.
http://xkcd.com/1206/
ChrisA
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On 10/05/2013 17:25, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:07 AM, rusi wrote:
On May 10, 8:32 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 5/10/2013 11:06 AM, jmfauth wrote:
On 8 mai, 15:19, Roy Smith wrote:
Apropos to any of the myria
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> This simply shows bias to the English speaking world, as does Python
> unicode, at least in 3.3+. I wouldn't mind betting that other languages
> can't cope, e.g. can 3.3+ manage the top secret joke that's so deadly even
> the Germans die la
In article <518df898$0$29997$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I never intended to give the impression that *any* use of a separate
> "enable" method call was bad. I certainly didn't intend to be bogged
> down into a long discussion about the minutia of file descrip
* Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
> Another example is running a subprocess in Unix-like systems.
>
> fork()
> open/close file descriptors, set limits, etc
> exec*()
For running a subprocess, only fork() is needed. For starting another
executable, only exec() is needed. For running the ne
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
> wrote:
>> 8 Dihedral writes:
>>
>>> This is just the handy style for a non-critical loop.
>>> In a critical loop, the number of the total operation counts
>>> does matter in the execution speed.
>>
>> Do you use sp
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
>> wrote:
>>> 8 Dihedral writes:
>>>
This is just the handy style for a non-critical loop.
In a critical loop, the number of the total operation coun
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:33 AM, André Malo wrote:
> * Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
>
>> Another example is running a subprocess in Unix-like systems.
>>
>> fork()
>> open/close file descriptors, set limits, etc
>> exec*()
>
> For running a subprocess, only fork() is needed. For starting
Hi,
Maybe you already fixed the issue, but for the record, I've got the same
problem and finally it turned out that I was calling PyEval_InitThreads twice
and also after fixing that, I also had to move the call to
PyEval_ReleaseLock(); at the end of the entire initialization (not just after
PyE
On 2013-05-11 08:51, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:20:34 +0100, Robert Kern wrote:
According to Steven's criteria, neither of these are instances of the
anti-pattern because there are good reasons they are this way. He is
reducing the anti-pattern to just those cases where there
Hi,
this could be seen as an extravagant subject but that is not my original
purpose. I still don't know if I want to become a programmer or not. At
this moment I'm just inspecting the environment. I'm making my way to
Python (and OOP in general) from a philosophical perspective or point of
view an
Just clarify there's no problem about calling twice to PyEval_InitThreads ()
as indicated by Python's doc.
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Maybe you already fixed the issue, but for the record, I've got the same
>
> problem and finally it turned out that I was calling PyEval_InitThreads twice
>
> and also afte
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Citizen Kant wrote:
>[...] the starting question I make to myself about Python is: which is the
>single
> and most basic use of Python as the entity it is? I mean, beside
> programming, what's the single and most basic result one can expect from
> "interacting" wi
On 11 May 2013 21:07, "Citizen Kant" wrote:
>
> Hi,
> this could be seen as an extravagant subject but that is not my original
purpose. I still don't know if I want to become a programmer or not. At
this moment I'm just inspecting the environment. I'm making my way to
Python (and OOP in general) f
On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Wow. You must be from another planet. Find Socrates if you wish to
> know these things. He's from there also.
Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
this list for crazies.
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Alex Norton wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:15:28 UTC+1, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> > Of course, it might be nicer to have a "result" label some-
> > where in the graphical interface which you set to the text
> > instead of printing it out to the console. And you also will
> > probably add
On 10 May, 13:07, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Now, whether or not it's worth _debating_ the expressiveness of a
> language... well, that's another point entirely. But for your major
> project, I think you'll do better working in Python than in machine
> code.
I wasn't disagreeing with the concept of
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Robert Kern wrote:
>> Another example of temporal coupling is json_decode in PHP: you must
>> follow it by a call to json_last_error, otherwise you have no way of
>> telling whether the json_decode function succeeded or not.
>>
>> http://php.net/manual/en/function.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:33:52 +1000, Chris Angelico
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>>
>> I don't answer to them. I also believe in a path of endless
>> exponential growth. Challenge: Create more information than
I'm afraid I'm having some trouble with the module. I've checked it into
my SVN at http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/svn/red-black-tree-mod/trunk/duncan
I have two versions of your tests in there now - "t" is minimally changed,
and test-red_black_tree_mod is pretty restructured to facilitate adding
m
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
I also believe in a path of endless
exponential growth. Challenge: Create more information than can be
stored in one teaspoon of matter. Go ahead. Try!
If that's your argument, then you don't really believe
in *endless* exponential growth. You only believe in
"exponenti
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
The coordinates of each particle storing the information in that
teaspoon of matter.
Which is probably more data than any of us will keyboard in a
lifetime. Hence my point.
My 1TB hard disk *already* co
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>>>
>>> I also believe in a path of endless
>>> exponential growth. Challenge: Create more information than can be
>>> stored in one teaspoon of matter. Go ahead. Try!
>
>
> If that's your argument, then you don't re
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
>> wrote:
>
>
>>>The coordinates of each particle storing the information in that
>>> teaspoon of matter.
>>
>>
>> Which is probably more data than any o
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
>
> I'm afraid I'm having some trouble with the module. I've checked it into
> my SVN at
> http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/svn/red-black-tree-mod/trunk/duncan
>
> I have two versions of your tests in there now - "t" is minimally changed,
> and
Citizen Kant wrote:
I roughly came to the idea that Python could be
considered as an *economic mirror for data*, one that mainly *mirrors*
the data the programmer types on its black surface, not exactly as the
programmer originally typed it, but expressed in the most economic way
possible.
A
On 12/05/13 00:24, Dan Stromberg wrote:
I'm afraid I'm having some trouble with the module. I've checked it
into my SVN at
http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/svn/red-black-tree-mod/trunk/duncan
I have two versions of your tests in there now - "t" is minimally
changed, and test-red_black_tree_mod is
On 12/05/13 02:29, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Dan Stromberg mailto:drsali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm afraid I'm having some trouble with the module. I've checked it
into my SVN at
http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/svn/red-black-tree-mod/trunk/duncan
I ha
Chris Angelico於 2013年5月12日星期日UTC+8上午12時00分44秒寫道：
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
>
> > Chris Angelico writes:
>
> >
>
> >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> 8 Dihedral writes:
>
> >>>
>
> This is just the handy style for
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM, 8 Dihedral
wrote:
> Chris Angelico於 2013年5月12日星期日UTC+8上午12時00分44秒寫道：
>> Most humans would get defensive, or at
>> least protest, if treated as bots; Dihedral never has, despite being
>> referred to in this way a number of times.
>>
>> ChrisA
>
> Don't you get
On 5/11/2013 4:03 PM, Citizen Kant wrote:
Hi,
this could be seen as an extravagant subject but that is not my
original purpose. I still don't know if I want to become a programmer
or not. At this moment I'm just inspecting the environment. I'm making
my way to Python (and OOP in general) from
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Hi,
> this could be seen as an extravagant subject but that is not my original
> purpose. I still don't know if I want to become a programmer or not.
My guess is that you don't want to be a programmer. Otherwise you would
know that you did
On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 wrote:
> On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen wrote:
>
> > Wow. You must be from another planet. Find Socrates if you wish to
> > know these things. He's from there also.
>
> Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
> this list for crazies.
I'm r
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:22 PM, rusi wrote:
> On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 wrote:
>> On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>
>> > Wow. You must be from another planet. Find Socrates if you wish to
>> > know these things. He's from there also.
>>
>> Now now, there's no need for a turf war, the
On May 12, 9:22 am, rusi wrote:
> On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 wrote:
>
> > On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen wrote:
>
> > > Wow. You must be from another planet. Find Socrates if you wish to
> > > know these things. He's from there also.
>
> > Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plen
On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
> treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may be
> taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the OP -- Citizen Kant)
A noble aim, but I have a feeling that "C
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> > 8 Dihedral writes:
> >
> >> This is just the handy style for a non-critical loop.
> >> In a critical loop, the number of the total operation counts
> >> does matter in the execution speed.
> >
> > Do you use
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