Re: ElementTree Issue - Search and remove elements

2012-10-17 Thread Stefan Behnel
Alain Ketterlin, 17.10.2012 08:25: > It looks like you can't get the parent of an Element with elementtree (I > would love to be proven wrong on this). No, that's by design. ElementTree allows you to reuse subtrees in a document, for example, which wouldn't work if you enforced a single parent. Al

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread rusi
On Oct 17, 10:22 am, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 10/16/2012 9:54 PM, Kevin Anthony wrote: > > > I've been teaching myself list comprehension, and i've run across > > something i'm not able to convert. > > list comprehensions specifically abbreviate the code that they are > (essentially) equivalent to.

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rusi
On Oct 17, 11:15 am, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 17, 2:43 pm, rusi wrote: > > > Let me try to restate alex without the barb. > > Do you offer this service for hire? :) Hmm now thats an idea… Are you offering to hire? [Considering how many jobs Ive changed, never know whats next!] Rusi -- http://blo

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > In an ideal world, we'd all agree on what counts as acceptable behaviour, > and stick to it, and discuss nothing but Python coding problems. But we > don't live in an idea world, and there are disagreements and people > behaving badly, and

Re: Fwd: system tray or notification area in python

2012-10-17 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hi folks, So I thought I would write a brand new stand alone system tray or notification area in python. I guess I need to use gtk bindings or some such but don't really know what my options are. Where would I start something like this? Any pointers would be great

Re: Fwd: system tray or notification area in python

2012-10-17 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 17.10.12 09:49, schrieb Daniel Fetchinson: So I thought I would write a brand new stand alone system tray or notification area in python. I guess I need to use gtk bindings or some such but don't really know what my options are. Where would I start something like this? Any pointers would be g

Re: overriding equals operation

2012-10-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/10/2012 05:16, 8 Dihedral wrote: What you really want is b=a.copy() not b=a to disentangle two objects. __eq__ is used in the comparison operation. The winner Smartest Answer by a Bot Award 2012 :) -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
Hi! I noticed yesterday that a single HTTP request to localhost takes roughly 1s, regardless of the actually served data, which is way too long. After some digging, I found that the problem lies in socket.create_connection(), which first tries the IPv6 ::1 and only then tries the IPv4 127.0.0

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread Hans Mulder
On 17/10/12 09:13:57, rusi wrote: > On Oct 17, 10:22 am, Terry Reedy wrote: >> On 10/16/2012 9:54 PM, Kevin Anthony wrote: >> >>> I've been teaching myself list comprehension, and i've run across >>> something i'm not able to convert. >> >> list comprehensions specifically abbreviate the code that

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/10/2012 07:24, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And more importantly, welcome to democracy -- this is not a dictatorship, Putting my pedantic hat on but there are few if any true democracies in the world. Most governments are run on (mis)representative lines. Which reminds me I must restart my

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: >> I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a >> daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter than >> you ;)). > > Doubt that, unless

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Hans Mulder
On 17/10/12 09:55:13, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: > Hi! > > I noticed yesterday that a single HTTP request to localhost takes > roughly 1s, regardless of the actually served data, which is way too > long. After some digging, I found that the problem lies in > socket.create_connection(), which first tri

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Hans Mulder wrote: > I have no experience with win7/64, but on earlier versions of Windows, > there's a file named "hosts", somewhere in a system directory. When > looking up an IP address, this file is consulted first. Removing the > ::1 from the entry for local

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Laszlo Nagy
What I'm wondering is this: 1. The server only serves on IPv4, changing this to IPv6 would probably help. However, I wouldn't consider this a bug, or? I'd say it's a bug in your TCP/IP stack. An IP shouldn't take that long to figure out that it is not configured to connect to IPv6 addresses. I

Index in a list

2012-10-17 Thread Anatoli Hristov
Hello, I'm trying to index a text in a list as I'm importing a log file and each line is a list. What I'm trying to do is find the right line which contains the text User : and take the username right after the text "User :", but the list.index("(User :") is indexing only if all the text matching

Re: Index in a list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Anatoli Hristov wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to index a text in a list as I'm importing a log file and > each line is a list. > > What I'm trying to do is find the right line which contains the text > User : and take the username right after the text "User :", bu

Re: system tray or notification area in python

2012-10-17 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
>> So I thought I would write a brand new stand alone system tray or >> notification area in python. I guess I need to use gtk bindings or >> some such but don't really know what my options are. >> >> Where would I start something like this? >> Any pointers would be greatly

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article <1s42l9-9al@satorlaser.homedns.org>, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: > Hi! > > I noticed yesterday that a single HTTP request to localhost takes > roughly 1s, regardless of the actually served data, which is way too > long. After some digging, I found that the problem lies in > socket.

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Angel
On 10/17/2012 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony wrote: > Is it not true that list comprehension is much faster the the for loops? > > If it is not the correct way of doing this, i appoligize. > Like i said, I'm learing list comprehension. > (Please don't top-post; it ruins the ordering. In these forums,

Re: Index in a list

2012-10-17 Thread Anatoli Hristov
Thanks a lot this solved my issue:) Regards Anatoli On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Anatoli Hristov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to index a text in a list as I'm importing a log file and >> each line is a list. >> >> What I'm tryi

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
Some updates on the issue: The etc/hosts file contains the following lines: # localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself. # 127.0.0.1 localhost # ::1 localhost As I understand it, those effectively mean that localhost is not resolved via this hosts fil

Re: easy_install says "not a recognized archive type" Windows Py3

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Noah Coad wrote: > error: Not a recognized archive type: > c:\users\noahco~1\appdata\local\temp\easy_ > install-gpekqc\PyMySQL-0.5.tar.gz Nobody seems to have responded to this (or I haven't seen it), but it looks like your system can't extract gzip files. Sugges

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: > Concerning the question whether a firewall blocks and unnecessarily delays > connection attempts to ::1, I haven't determined that yet. I'll ask our > admins here to verify whether that is the case. It would only be a software firewall on

Re: cx_Oracle clause IN using a variable

2012-10-17 Thread Beppe
Il giorno martedì 16 ottobre 2012 19:23:22 UTC+2, Hans Mulder ha scritto: > On 16/10/12 15:41:58, Beppe wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I don't know if it is the correct place to set this question, however, > > > I'm using cx_Oracle to query an Oracle database. > > > I've a problem to use the IN cla

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread rusi
On Oct 17, 5:33 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > On 10/17/2012 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony wrote:> Is it not true that list > comprehension is much faster the the for loops? > > > If it is not the correct way of doing this, i appoligize. > > Like i said, I'm learing list comprehension. > list comprehensions

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-10-17, Dwight Hutto wrote: > No I'm not a troll. I like to answer, as well as ask, and sometimes > things get heated, and you get called a name, and the name takes the > argument out of context sometimes. Uh, what? How can a name take an argument out of context? "Taking something out o

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-10-17, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:38 -0700, alex23 wrote: > >> I really don't get people who feel they need to share their opinion when >> that opinion is that other people shouldn't share theirs. > > +1 QOTW > > It makes me laugh when newcomers to this group stick

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-10-17, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 10/16/2012 11:47 PM, Kristen J. Webb wrote: > >> I will say that my perusal of this list has been >> informative. I also receive more email from this >> list than any other I subscribe to. > > You could instead access it as a newsgroup via news.gmane.org. Th

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Virgil Stokes
On 17-Oct-2012 11:31, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (one of the many benefits of working with people smarter

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread rusi
On Oct 17, 7:06 pm, rusi wrote: > On Oct 17, 5:33 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > > > On 10/17/2012 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony wrote:> Is it not true that list > > comprehension is much faster the the for loops? > > > > If it is not the correct way of doing this, i appoligize. > > > Like i said, I'm learin

Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread nwaits
I'm very impressed with python's wordlist script for plain text. Is there a script for finding words that do NOT have certain diacritic marks, like acute or grave accents (utf-8), over the vowels? Thank you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I disagree! I think occasional off-topic meta-arguments can be > interesting and entertaining. > > Yow! Am I having a meta-meta-discussion yet? Now we get to the meat of the discussion... It's like I was explaining to one of my brothers t

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Angel
On 10/17/2012 10:06 AM, rusi wrote: > On Oct 17, 5:33 pm, Dave Angel wrote: >> On 10/17/2012 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony wrote:> Is it not true that list >> comprehension is much faster the the for loops? >> >>> If it is not the correct way of doing this, i appoligize. >>> Like i said, I'm learing li

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread 88888 Dihedral
Dave Angel於 2012年10月17日星期三UTC+8下午10時37分01秒寫道: > On 10/17/2012 10:06 AM, rusi wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 5:33 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > > >> On 10/17/2012 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony wrote:> Is it not true that list > >> comprehension is much faster the the for loops? > > >> > > >>> If it is not the co

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread rusi
On Oct 17, 7:37 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > And I'd wager all the improvement is in the inner loop, the dot() function. Sorry -- red herring! Changing def mm1(a,b): return [[sum(x*y for x,y in zip(ra,rb)) for rb in zip(*b)] for ra in a] to def mm1(a,b): return [[sum([x*y for x,y in zip(ra,rb)])

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Angel
On 10/17/2012 10:31 AM, nwaits wrote: > I'm very impressed with python's wordlist script for plain text. Is there a > script for finding words that do NOT have certain diacritic marks, like acute > or grave accents (utf-8), over the vowels? > Thank you. if you can construct a list of "illegal

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread 88888 Dihedral
rusi於 2012年10月17日星期三UTC+8下午10時50分11秒寫道: > On Oct 17, 7:37 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > > > > > And I'd wager all the improvement is in the inner loop, the dot() function. > > > > Sorry -- red herring! > > > > Changing > > > > def mm1(a,b): return [[sum(x*y for x,y in zip(ra,rb)) for rb in >

Re: Is there a way to configure IDLE to use spaces instead of tabs for indenting?

2012-10-17 Thread Fabio Zadrozny
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Alex wrote: > Ramchandra Apte wrote: > >> On Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:03:52 UTC+5:30, Alex wrote: >> > I'm new to Python and have been using IDLE 3.2.3 to experiment with >> > >> > code as I learn. Despite being configured to use a 4 space >> > indentation >> >

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 17:00:46 UTC+2, Dave Angel a écrit : > On 10/17/2012 10:31 AM, nwaits wrote: > > > I'm very impressed with python's wordlist script for plain text. Is there > > a script for finding words that do NOT have certain diacritic marks, like > > acute or grave accents (utf-

Re: Is there a way to configure IDLE to use spaces instead of tabs for indenting?

2012-10-17 Thread Alex
Fabio Zadrozny wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Alex wrote: > > Ramchandra Apte wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:03:52 UTC+5:30, Alex wrote: > >> > I'm new to Python and have been using IDLE 3.2.3 to experiment > with >> > > >> > code as I learn. Despite being configured

zip_longest_by

2012-10-17 Thread Neil Cerutti
While working through Project Euler, a fun source of exercises, I composed the following iterator recipe to yield from multiple iterators in fixed-length groups: import itertools def zip_longest_by(*args, fillvalue=None, n=1, grouper=tuple): """Yield n at a time from each of the args, with pa

RE: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Prasad, Ramit
David Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: > > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here > > and there) does not constitute good > design. > > It's simplicity within a symbolism, and now that I need money for > medical reasons, the

Re: Index in a list

2012-10-17 Thread Hans Mulder
On 17/10/12 12:10:56, Anatoli Hristov wrote: > I'm trying to index a text in a list as I'm importing a log file and > each line is a list. > > What I'm trying to do is find the right line which contains the text > User : and take the username right after the text "User :", but the > list.index("(U

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rurpy
On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:10:17 -0700, rurpy wrote: > >> On 10/16/2012 10:49 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:27:48 -0700, rurpy wrote about trolls and >>> > dicks: >> >> No, I wrote about trolls. "dicks" is a highly emotive an

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM, wrote: import unicodedata def HasDiacritics(w): > ... w_decomposed = unicodedata.normalize('NFKD', w) > ... return 'no' if len(w) == len(w_decomposed) else 'yes' > ... HasDiacritics('éléphant') > 'yes' HasDiacritics('elephant') > 'no' >

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread David Robinow
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > "return len(w) != len(w_decomposed)" is all you need. Thanks for helping, but I already knew that. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Change computername

2012-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Anatoli Hristov wrote: > Hello, > > Can you please help me out how can I change the computername of > windows XP with or without the "WIN32" module ? Untested: from ctypes import * ComputerNamePhysicalDnsHostname = 5 computer_name = u'COMPUTER' success = windl

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, wrote: >On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Except that you've made a 180- >> degree turn from your advice to "ignore" bad behaviour, but apparently >> didn't notice that *sending private emails* is not by any definition >> "ignoring". So apparently

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 19:07:43 UTC+2, Ian a écrit : > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM, wrote: > > import unicodedata > > def HasDiacritics(w): > > > ... w_decomposed = unicodedata.normalize('NFKD', w) > > > ... return 'no' if len(w) == len(w_decomposed) else 'yes' > >

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:17 AM, wrote: > Not at all, I knew this. In this I decided to program like > this. > > Do you get it? Yes/No or True/False Yes but why? When you're returning a boolean concept, why not return a boolean value? You don't even use values with one that compares-as-true an

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > Not at all, I knew this. In this I decided to program like > this. > > Do you get it? Yes/No or True/False It's just bad style, because both 'yes' and 'no' evaluate true. if HasDiacritics('éléphant'): print('Correct!') if HasDiacritics('elephant

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 20:28:21 UTC+2, Ian a écrit : > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > > > Not at all, I knew this. In this I decided to program like > > > this. > > > > > > Do you get it? Yes/No or True/False > > > > It's just bad style, because both 'yes' and 'no' evalu

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rurpy
On 10/17/2012 12:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, rurpy wrote: >>On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Except that you've made a 180- >>> degree turn from your advice to "ignore" bad behaviour, but apparently >>> didn't notice that *sending private email

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rurpy
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:20:15 PM UTC-6, rurpy wrote: > On 10/17/2012 12:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >[...] > Ignore it *on the list*. Quick addendum: I wrote earlier (in some post in this thread I don't have time to dig up now) that the above possibly should not apply when one is the t

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 17 October 2012 19:16, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, wrote: >>On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Except that you've made a 180- >>> degree turn from your advice to "ignore" bad behaviour, but apparently >>> didn't notice that *sending private emails*

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rurpy
On 10/17/2012 02:28 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:> On 17 October 2012 19:16, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, wrote: >>>On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Except that you've made a 180- degree turn from your advice to "ignore" bad behaviour, but appare

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 10/17/2012 3:13 AM, rusi wrote: On Oct 17, 10:22 am, Terry Reedy wrote: On 10/16/2012 9:54 PM, Kevin Anthony wrote: I've been teaching myself list comprehension, and i've run across something i'm not able to convert. My response is to the part Kevin could *not* convert, not the parts he

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >> wrote: >>> I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a >>> daily basis (one of the many benefits of wor

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-10-17, Dwight Hutto wrote: > >> No I'm not a troll. I like to answer, as well as ask, and sometimes >> things get heated, and you get called a name, and the name takes the >> argument out of context sometimes. > > Uh, what? How can

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote: > David Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >> wrote: >> > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern here >> > and there) does not constitute good >> design. >> >> It's simplicity within

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Robert Kern
On 10/17/12 11:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't work with you on a daily basis (o

Re: list comprehension question

2012-10-17 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 17 October 2012 06:09, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Kevin Anthony > wrote: >> Is it not true that list comprehension is much faster the the for loops? >> >> If it is not the correct way of doing this, i appoligize. >> Like i said, I'm learing list comprehension. >> >

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0400, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht >>> wrote: I can't ascertain what your strengths are as I don't w

Re: Script for finding words of any size that do NOT contain vowels with acute diacritic marks?

2012-10-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:16:43 -0400, David Robinow wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Ian Kelly > wrote: >> "return len(w) != len(w_decomposed)" is all you need. > > Thanks for helping, but I already knew that. David, Ian was directly responding to wxjmfa...@gmail.com, whose suggestion i

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:10:34 -0700, rurpy wrote: > On 10/17/2012 02:28 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:> On 17 October 2012 19:16, > Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, wrote: On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Except that you've made a 180- > degree tu

Re: OT Questions

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:12 -0400, Dwight Hutto wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Chris Angelico >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dwight Hutto >>> wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht

Re: where to view range([start], stop[, step])'s C implementation source code ?

2012-10-17 Thread iMath
On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:42:26 PM UTC+8, Ian wrote: > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:28 AM, iMath wrote: > > > where to view range([start], stop[, step])'s C implementation source code ? > > > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/3f739f42be51/Objects/rangeobject.c thanks -- http://mail.python.

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Excuse me, I think that anybody who was offended by it needs to take a > long, hard look at themselves. Would you be offended if Rurpy asked "Are > you diabetic?" If the question were sincere, no. On the other hand, if it were a rhetorica

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Zero Piraeus
: On 17 October 2012 19:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [on Asperger's] > Excuse me, I think that anybody who was offended by it needs to take a > long, hard look at themselves. Would you be offended if Rurpy asked "Are > you diabetic?" There's no more shame in being Aspie than there is in > being dia

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
> Instead of "diabetic", try inserting the word "black" or "female". > There's no shame in those either, yet I think that the offensiveness > of either of those words used in that context should be obvious. To take it a little further, what if I said I got gypped. I think it goes to gypsy's. Was i

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Zero Piraeus
: On 17 October 2012 19:53, Dwight Hutto wrote: > To take it a little further, what if I said I got gypped. I think it > goes to gypsy's. Was it racist? "Racist" is a word with competing definitions, and intent is a factor in some of them ... but yes, many people are offended by such use of the

unittest for system testing

2012-10-17 Thread Rita
Hi, Currently, I use a shell script to test how my system behaves before I deploy an application. For instance, I check if fileA, fileB, and fileC exist and if they do I go and start up my application. This works great BUT I would like to use python and in particular unittest module to test my s

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread rurpy
On 10/17/2012 05:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Excuse me, I think that anybody who was offended by it needs to take a >> long, hard look at themselves. Would you be offended if Rurpy asked "Are >> you diabetic?" > > If the question were sincer

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: > Some updates on the issue: > > The etc/hosts file contains the following lines: > > # localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself. > # 127.0.0.1 localhost > # ::1 localhost > > As I understand it, those effectively

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 18 October 2012 00:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:10:34 -0700, rurpy wrote: > >> On 10/17/2012 02:28 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:> On 17 October 2012 19:16, >> Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 AM, wrote: >On 10/16/2012 08:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wr

Re: unittest for system testing

2012-10-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 18/10/2012 01:22, Rita wrote: Hi, Currently, I use a shell script to test how my system behaves before I deploy an application. For instance, I check if fileA, fileB, and fileC exist and if they do I go and start up my application. This works great BUT I would like to use python and in part

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 18/10/2012 01:44, Oscar Benjamin wrote: It came across to me as an offensive comment both to you and to people with Asperger's that I would not tolerate generally. It is retracted so I hold no ill will and don't want to dwell on it. In fact the very quick retraction is a good thing to happen

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 9:53 am, Dwight Hutto wrote: > To take it a little further, what if I said I got gypped. I think it > goes to gypsy's. Was it racist? Ignorant racism is still racism. Historical racism is still racism. > It seems that we get too politically correct when we want to cherry > pick a comm

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Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 18, 9:53 am, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> To take it a little further, what if I said I got gypped. I think it >> goes to gypsy's. Was it racist? > > Ignorant racism is still racism. No it's not, that 's why it's called ignorant...you just didn't

Re: unittest for system testing

2012-10-17 Thread Rita
thanks. I suppose I would need a simple example from one of these libraries. ( i typed too soon for , "no code needed" ) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 18/10/2012 01:22, Rita wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Currently, I use a shell script to test how my system behaves before

Deployment tools using Python (was: unittest for system testing)

2012-10-17 Thread Ben Finney
Rita writes: > Currently, I use a shell script to test how my system behaves before I > deploy an application. For instance, I check if fileA, fileB, and > fileC exist and if they do I go and start up my application. The operating system shell, or the deployment framework of choice, is best suit

Re: Deployment tools using Python (was: unittest for system testing)

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Rita writes: > >> Currently, I use a shell script to test how my system behaves before I >> deploy an application. For instance, I check if fileA, fileB, and >> fileC exist and if they do I go and start up my application. > > The operating sys

Re: bad httplib latency due to IPv6 use

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > One likely path is to check in /etc/nsswitch.conf to see what data > sources the resolver should consult. On the box I'm using at the > moment, it says: > > hosts: files dns This is true on Linux, and presumably on various other Unice

Re: Deployment tools using Python (was: unittest for system testing)

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 1:39 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: > Logging and > testing your own functions/classes is something that come in the > pre-algorithm of the app you wish to deploy. What is a pre-algorithm? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM, wu wei wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Dwight Hutto > wrote: >> >> It's intended to be involved, witty, and as informed as I can be > > > You fail on every level here. According to your opinion. > >> >> No, I'm fine a s a monk until recently, when medi

Re: Deployment tools using Python (was: unittest for system testing)

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 18, 1:39 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> Logging and >> testing your own functions/classes is something that come in the >> pre-algorithm of the app you wish to deploy. > > What is a pre-algorithm? > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM, wu wei wrote: > Did you really forward a private email to a public mailing list without > permission? > > Are you really that fucking ignorant of the law? This is a public discussion. Maybe you just need to stand behind a loophole in the law, but the first amendm

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 2:02 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: [a public response to a private email] I really don't appreciate you pushing public a *private email exchange*, especially when it has nothing whatsoever to do with this list. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 2:05 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: > This is a public discussion. Maybe you just need to stand behind a > loophole in the law, but the first amendment overrides that. I'm not in America, so your constitution means nothing to me. > Plus, that is the standard. We discuss this as a community.

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 18, 2:02 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: > [a public response to a private email] > > I really don't appreciate you pushing public a *private email > exchange*, especially when it has nothing whatsoever to do with this > list. Usually, etiquette d

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM, wu wei wrote: >> Did you really forward a private email to a public mailing list without >> permission? >> >> Are you really that fucking ignorant of the law? > > This is a public discussion. Maybe you just n

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 2:21 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: > Usually, etiquette dictates, that we hit "reply all". Then why did you actively re-add the list as a recipient when I had removed it? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM, alex23 wrote: >> On Oct 18, 2:02 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> [a public response to a private email] >> >> I really don't appreciate you pushing public a *private email >> exchange*, especially when it has not

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 18, 2:05 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> This is a public discussion. Maybe you just need to stand behind a >> loophole in the law, but the first amendment overrides that. > > I'm not in America, so your constitution means nothing to me. But yo

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM, wu wei wrote: >>> Did you really forward a private email to a public mailing list without >>> permission? >>> >>> Are you really that fucking ignora

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM, alex23 wrote: >>> On Oct 18, 2:02 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: >>> [a public response to a private email] >>> >>> I really don't appreciate you pushing

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread alex23
On Oct 18, 2:26 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: > But you apparently want freedom of speech. I can't even begin to address this idiocy. > As I've mentioned before...people can start arguing, and one replies > off list, and then goes back on the list after a private e-mail, and > says ahah, see how they'

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Common misconception. The First Amendment to the United States >> Constitution prohibits the *making of any law* that restricts certain >> freedoms. It does not have ANYTHING to do wi

Re: Aggressive language on python-list

2012-10-17 Thread Dwight Hutto
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:24 AM, alex23 wrote: > On Oct 18, 2:21 pm, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> Usually, etiquette dictates, that we hit "reply all". > > Then why did you actively re-add the list as a recipient when I had > removed it? How was I supposed to know you removed it. Usually it's an acci

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