Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-19 Thread lkcl
On May 18, 11:02 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/18/2011 5:24 AM, lkcl wrote: > > There seem to be two somewhat separate requirement issues: the > interpreter binary and the language version. yes. [with the startling possibility of compiling the entire pyjs compiler into javascript and executing

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/18/2011 9:42 AM, lkcl wrote: he's got a good point, terry. breaking backwards-compatibility was a completely mad and incomprehensible decision. I see that I should take everything you (or Harris) say with a big grain of salt;-). You just gave me a lecture about the impossibility of do

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/18/2011 5:24 AM, lkcl wrote: There seem to be two somewhat separate requirement issues: the interpreter binary and the language version. a) at the moment a http://python.org 2.N interpreter is required to actually run the translator. if you use http://python.org 2.5 or 2.6 you do not

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread lkcl
On May 17, 5:38 pm, harrismh777 wrote: > is recompiled everything still works... not so in Python. The fact that > Python is free to morph gleely from PEP to PEP without responsibility or > accountability with the user base is what may kill Python, unless the > Python community gets a grip on thi

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread lkcl
On May 18, 10:24 am, lkcl wrote: > > >   otherwise please - really: just saying "give me support for python > > > 3.x or else" is ... > > > And I did not say that. > >  yeah i know - i'm sorry: it just, with a little bit of "twisting", > could be construed as implying that. in case it wasn't cl

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread lkcl
On May 18, 6:29 am, harrismh777 wrote: > Terry Reedy wrote: > > > No, because I think you are exaggerating.  That said, I think core > > Python is pretty close to 'complete' and I would not mind further syntax > > freezes like the one for 3.2. > > I am exaggerating only to the extent that someone

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-18 Thread lkcl
On May 18, 2:33 am, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/17/2011 12:07 PM, lkcl wrote: > > > On May 4, 7:37 pm, Terry Reedy  wrote: > >> On 5/4/2011 10:06 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >>> pyjamasis a suite of projects, including a python-to-javascript > >>> compiler > >> As you well know, there

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread alex23
harrismh777 wrote: > If there is another major jump like  2.x --> 3.x  in the future, Python > will die. I hope you guys are aware of this. The user base might accept > this thing once, but they're not going do it again... The differences between major version releases of Python are far, far less

Re: [ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread harrismh777
Terry Reedy wrote: No, because I think you are exaggerating. That said, I think core Python is pretty close to 'complete' and I would not mind further syntax freezes like the one for 3.2. I am exaggerating only to the extent that someone can imagine folks becoming just annoyed with PEP progr

Re: [ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/17/2011 12:38 PM, harrismh777 wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: Like it or not, Python 3 is the future of Python. It is the Python that many Python newcomers learn first, and perhaps ever will. Yes, no doubt, and I'm genuine about that... ... but there is something else to consider, as I'm sure

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/17/2011 12:07 PM, lkcl wrote: On May 4, 7:37 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: On 5/4/2011 10:06 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: pyjamasis a suite of projects, including a python-to-javascript compiler As you well know, there is no such thing as 'python' when it comes to compiling actual

Re: [ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread harrismh777
Terry Reedy wrote: Like it or not, Python 3 is the future of Python. It is the Python that many Python newcomers learn first, and perhaps ever will. Yes, no doubt, and I'm genuine about that... ... but there is something else to consider, as I'm sure you are aware. At some point Python is goi

Re: pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-17 Thread lkcl
On May 4, 7:37 pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/4/2011 10:06 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > after a long delay thepyjamasproject -http://pyjs.org- has begun the > > 0.8 series of releases, beginning with alpha1: > > >https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyjamas/files/pyjamas/0.8/ > > >pyja

Re: [ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-04 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/4/2011 10:06 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: after a long delay the pyjamas project - http://pyjs.org - has begun the 0.8 series of releases, beginning with alpha1: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyjamas/files/pyjamas/0.8/ pyjamas is a suite of projects, including a python-to-jav

Re: [ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > after a long delay the pyjamas project - http://pyjs.org - has begun the > 0.8 series of releases, beginning with alpha1: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyjamas/files/pyjamas/0.8/ > > pyjamas is a suite of projects, inclu

[ann] pyjamas 0.8alpha1 release

2011-05-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
after a long delay the pyjamas project - http://pyjs.org - has begun the 0.8 series of releases, beginning with alpha1: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyjamas/files/pyjamas/0.8/ pyjamas is a suite of projects, including a python-to-javascript compiler with two modes of operation (roughly classi