> > .From all the posts I gather the answer to my question is
> > "simply": unpackaged-but-needed modules need to be packaged.
>
> I think there is one aspect that isn't getting consideration here. And
> that is whether or not you want these packages installed in the default
> system Python instal
On 11/6/2023 5:04 PM, Karsten Hilbert via Python-list wrote:
Am Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 02:43:47PM -0700 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
I had just hoped someone here might have a handy pointer for
how to deal with modules having to be installed from pip for
use with an apt-installed python
Am Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 02:43:47PM -0700 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
> >I had just hoped someone here might have a handy pointer for
> >how to deal with modules having to be installed from pip for
> >use with an apt-installed python-based application.
>
> That just shouldn't happen - su
On 11/6/23 14:28, Karsten Hilbert via Python-list wrote:
I had just hoped someone here might have a handy pointer for
how to deal with modules having to be installed from pip for
use with an apt-installed python-based application.
That just shouldn't happen - such packages are supposed to be
Am Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 08:58:00AM +0100 schrieb Dieter Maurer:
> I know that debian packagers create debian packages
> from Python distributions not using the approach sketched above
> and likely they have their reasons.
>
> You might want to discuss this on an `apt` related mailing list.
Yeah,
Am Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 01:17:11AM - schrieb Jon Ribbens via Python-list:
> >> >> Are they not available in your system's package manager?
> >> >
> >> > ... this clearly often answers to "no" for applications of
> >> > any complexity.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a suggested proper path to deal with
Karsten Hilbert wrote at 2023-11-5 23:19 +0100:
> ...
>do you happen to know where to read up on how to fit a pip
>constraint file into a Debian package creation workflow ?
I have only rudimentary `apt` knowledge.
I know it is quite flexible, e.g. it used to handle `flash`
in a special way. I exp
On 2023-11-05, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> Am Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 01:53:32PM - schrieb Jon Ribbens via Python-list:
>
>> >> Are they not available in your system's package manager?
>> >
>> > ... this clearly often answers to "no" for applications of
>> > any complexity.
>> >
>> > Is there a sugg
Am Sun, Nov 05, 2023 at 03:00:41PM + schrieb Chris Green via Python-list:
> > * contact every single maintainer of every single one of the packages
> > that needs updating and persuade them to update their packages and
> > reassure them that you are getting all the other package main
Am Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 01:53:32PM - schrieb Jon Ribbens via Python-list:
> >> Are they not available in your system's package manager?
> >
> > ... this clearly often answers to "no" for applications of
> > any complexity.
> >
> > Is there a suggested proper path to deal with that (Debian is
>
Am Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 05:26:06PM +0100 schrieb Dieter Maurer:
> Karsten Hilbert wrote at 2023-11-3 14:47 +0100:
> > ...
> >> Are they not available in your system's package manager?
> >
> >... this clearly often answers to "no" for applications of
> >any complexity.
> >
> >Is there a suggested p
Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2023-11-03, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> > Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 04:07:33PM -0600 schrieb Mats Wichmann via
> > Python-list:
> >> >So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
> >> >PATH.
> >>
> >> FWIW, for this you install the little stub package pyt
On 2023-11-05, Chris Green wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2023-11-03, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
>> > Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 04:07:33PM -0600 schrieb Mats Wichmann via
>> > Python-list:
>> >> >So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
>> >> >PATH.
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, for
On 2023-11-03, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 04:07:33PM -0600 schrieb Mats Wichmann via
> Python-list:
>> >So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
>> >PATH.
>>
>> FWIW, for this you install the little stub package python-is-python3.
>> Especially if y
On 2023-11-03, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:35:43PM - schrieb Jon Ribbens via Python-list:
>
> Regardless of ...
>
>> Because pip barely plays well by itself, let alone with other package
>> managers at the same time.
>
> ... being true ...
>
>> > I do only install a few
Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 04:07:33PM -0600 schrieb Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
> >So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
> >PATH.
>
> FWIW, for this you install the little stub package python-is-python3.
> Especially if you
> want to keep a python2 installation around
Karsten Hilbert wrote at 2023-11-3 14:47 +0100:
> ...
>> Are they not available in your system's package manager?
>
>... this clearly often answers to "no" for applications of
>any complexity.
>
>Is there a suggested proper path to deal with that (Debian is
>of interest to me here) ?
Complex appli
Am Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:35:43PM - schrieb Jon Ribbens via Python-list:
Regardless of ...
> Because pip barely plays well by itself, let alone with other package
> managers at the same time.
... being true ...
> > I do only install a few things using pip.
>
> Are they not available in you
Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> > Jon Ribbens wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> >> > I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
> >> > python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
> >> > finally eliminated all depe
On 11/2/23 04:58, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
finally eliminated all dependencies on python2.
So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable i
On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2023-11-02, Dieter Maurer wrote:
>> > Chris Green wrote at 2023-11-2 10:58 +:
>> >> ...
>> >>So, going on from this, how do I do the equivalent of "apt update; apt
>> >>upgrade" for my globally installed pip packages?
>> >
>> > `pi
On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
>> > I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
>> > python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
>> > finally eliminated all dependencies on python2.
>> >
>> > S
Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> > I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
> > python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
> > finally eliminated all dependencies on python2.
> >
> > So they now have only python3 and there is n
Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2023-11-02, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> > Chris Green wrote at 2023-11-2 10:58 +:
> >> ...
> >>So, going on from this, how do I do the equivalent of "apt update; apt
> >>upgrade" for my globally installed pip packages?
> >
> > `pip list -o` will tell you for which packages
On 2023-11-02, Chris Green wrote:
> I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
> python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
> finally eliminated all dependencies on python2.
>
> So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
> PATH.
On 2023-11-02, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> Chris Green wrote at 2023-11-2 10:58 +:
>> ...
>>So, going on from this, how do I do the equivalent of "apt update; apt
>>upgrade" for my globally installed pip packages?
>
> `pip list -o` will tell you for which packages there are upgrades
> available.
>
Chris Green wrote at 2023-11-2 10:58 +:
> ...
>So, going on from this, how do I do the equivalent of "apt update; apt
>upgrade" for my globally installed pip packages?
`pip list -o` will tell you for which packages there are upgrades
available.
`pip install -U ...` will upgrade packages.
Be c
I have a couple of systems which used to have python2 as well as
python3 but as Ubuntu and Debian verions have moved on they have
finally eliminated all dependencies on python2.
So they now have only python3 and there is no python executable in
PATH.
There's still both /usr/bin/pip and /usr/bin/
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