Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-02-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:22:24 -0500, Dan Perl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: > "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> I suggest it be dropped in both places. The mentioning of this book in >> the Perl/Python community is mostly a fawning behavior and confession >> that the author is

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-02-02 Thread Dan Perl
"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > i've noticed that in Python official doc > http://python.org/doc/lib/module-re.html > and also How-To doc > http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/ > > both mentions the book "Mastering Regular Expressions" by Jeffrey > Friedl.

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-02-02 Thread Xah Lee
i've noticed that in Python official doc http://python.org/doc/lib/module-re.html and also How-To doc http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/ both mentions the book "Mastering Regular Expressions" by Jeffrey Friedl. I suggest it be dropped in both places. The mentioning of this book in the Perl/Pyt

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-02-02 Thread Xah Lee
in the doc for re module http://python.org/doc/lib/module-re.html 4.2.2 on Matching vs Searching http://python.org/doc/lib/matching-searching.html Its mentioning of Perl is irrelevant, since the majority reading that page will not have expertise with Perl regex. The whole section should be delete

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-28 Thread axel
In comp.lang.perl.misc Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Following is a tutorial on Python's classes. It is part of a > a-Python-a-day mailing list. As an example, it shows what i mean by > covering the language's functionalities as is, without needing to chalk > up to rocket sciences. If expand

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-26 Thread Craig Ringer
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 09:35 +, Keith Thompson wrote: > "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] > > Following is a tutorial on Python's classes. > [snip] > > Please stop posting this to comp.lang.c. I'm sure the folks in most > of the other newsgroup aren't interested either -- or if th

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2005-01-26 Thread Jeremy Jones
Brian van den Broek wrote: Terry Reedy said unto the world upon 2005-01-26 14:08: Xah the arrogant wrote, among other things, However, there are several errors in the above that would mislead a Python learner. I advise any such to ignore Xah's writings. Terry J. Reedy Hi all, here's a thought

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-26 Thread Brian van den Broek
Terry Reedy said unto the world upon 2005-01-26 14:08: Xah the arrogant wrote, among other things, However, there are several errors in the above that would mislead a Python learner. I advise any such to ignore Xah's writings. Terry J. Reedy Hi all, here's a thought: There isn't any doubt that

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-26 Thread Terry Reedy
Xah the arrogant wrote, among other things, # one can change data inside the class x.i = 400 # one can also add new data to the class x.j=4 print x.j # or even override a method x.square = 333 # (the following line will no longer work) # print "3 squared is:", x.square(3) # in Python, one must

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-26 Thread Charlton Wilbur
> "XL" == Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: XL> I've used the Python tutorial's chapter on class as XL> an example. I've indicated that proper tutorial should be XL> simple, covering just common cases, be self-contained, and be XL> example based. "Correct" is not in your li

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-26 Thread Keith Thompson
"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > Following is a tutorial on Python's classes. [snip] Please stop posting this to comp.lang.c. I'm sure the folks in most of the other newsgroup aren't interested either -- or if they are, they can find it in comp.lang.python. Followups redirected. -

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-25 Thread Xah Lee
in my previous two messages, i've criticized the inanity of vast majority of language documentations and tutorials in the industry. I've used the Python tutorial's chapter on class as an example. I've indicated that proper tutorial should be simple, covering just common cases, be self-contained, an

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-25 Thread TZOTZIOY
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:28:12 -0500, rumours say that Hans Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >Xah Lee wrote: >> the first paragraph of 9.1 "A Word About Terminology" is epitome of >> masturbation. The entire 9.1 is not necessary. >> >> Large part of 9.2 "Python Scopes and Name Spaces"

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-24 Thread Jonathan Burd
Xah Lee wrote: adding to my previosu comment... *plonk* -- "Women should come with documentation." - Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread alex23
Daniel Bickett wrote: > You guys are just begging for a YHBT ;-) Point taken :) I've noticed very few people even acknowledge his posts at all; I'll follow the group lead and do the same. Cheers! - alex23 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread alex23
Daniel Bickett wrote: > Chris Mattern wrote: > > alex23 wrote: > > > > > Having read your comments on women, > > > > I hadn't looked at that part of his site until now. I can only say: > > gah. Haven't seen something like that since Dave Sim's infamous > > "Tangent" essay. > > It's painfully obvi

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Daniel Bickett
Daniel Bickett wrote: > [snip] > You guys are just begging for a YHBT ;-) I apologize, that should have been "we" -- I was criticizing him too. no-one-wants-to-be-a-hypocrite-ly y'rs, Daniel Bickett -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Daniel Bickett
Chris Mattern wrote: > alex23 wrote: > > > Having read your comments on women, > > I hadn't looked at that part of his site until now. I can only say: > gah. Haven't seen something like that since Dave Sim's infamous > "Tangent" essay. It's painfully obvious that it is all for the sole purpose

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Chris Mattern
alex23 wrote: > Having read your comments on women, I hadn't looked at that part of his site until now. I can only say: gah. Haven't seen something like that since Dave Sim's infamous "Tangent" essay. -- Christopher Mattern "Which one you figure tracked us?" "The ugly one, sir.

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread alex23
> the first paragraph of 9.1 "A Word About Terminology" is > epitome of masturbation. I'm tempted to concede this point to you given the sheer overwhelming testament to onanism that is your website but this is just nonsense. Defining terms is *always* necessary, it ensures that participants in wha

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Daniel Bickett
Lucas Raab wrote: > Daniel Bickett wrote: > >>Most texts in computing are written by authors to defend and showcase > >>their existence against their peers. > > > > > > When you aren't busy `showcasing' your ignorance, this is *all* i see > > in everything you write. > > > > Um, maybe that was h

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Lucas Raab
Daniel Bickett wrote: Most texts in computing are written by authors to defend and showcase their existence against their peers. When you aren't busy `showcasing' your ignorance, this is *all* i see in everything you write. Um, maybe that was his point... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Hans Nowak
Xah Lee wrote: the first paragraph of 9.1 "A Word About Terminology" is epitome of masturbation. The entire 9.1 is not necessary. Large part of 9.2 "Python Scopes and Name Spaces" is again masturbatory. So I can just take a copy of the tutorial to the bathroom next time. Thanks for the tip, man!

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Daniel Bickett
> Most texts in computing are written by authors to defend and showcase > their existence against their peers. When you aren't busy `showcasing' your ignorance, this is *all* i see in everything you write. > In a tutorial, nobody cares how > the language compared to x y and z, or what technicalit

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Dan Perl
"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > the beginning two paragraphs should be deleted. Nobody gives a shit > except a few smug academicians where the author wrote it for pleasing > himself. For 99% of readers, it is incomprehensible and irrelevant. > > the first p

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread CBFalconer
Xah Lee wrote: > ... snip ... > > the first paragraph of 9.1 "A Word About Terminology" is epitome > of masturbation. The entire 9.1 is not necessary. > > Large part of 9.2 "Python Scopes and Name Spaces" is again > masturbatory. PLONK for excessive OT crossposting and trolling. -- "If you wa

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-23 Thread Xah Lee
adding to my previosu comment... In the Python tutorial: http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/node11.html the beginning two paragraphs should be deleted. Nobody gives a shit except a few smug academicians where the author wrote it for pleasing himself. For 99% of readers, it is incomprehensible and irr

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread Jeffrey Cunningham
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:08:50 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: > i've started to read python tutorial recently. > http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html > (snip rest of misleading filler) > > http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html The first line is solipsistic (..like..'so what?'). But I think its all m

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread Jeremy Bowers
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:08:50 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: > i've started to read python tutorial recently. > http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html > > Here are some quick critique: You don't have the respect points for anyone to give a damn. Step one would be demonstrating that you understand the la

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread M Jared Finder
Xah Lee wrote: i've started to read python tutorial recently. http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html What does this have to do with Perl, Lisp, Scheme, or C? -- MJF -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread CBFalconer
Xah Lee wrote: > > i've started to read python tutorial recently. > http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html > > Here are some quick critique: This has absolutely nothing to do with c.l.c, nor most of the cross-posted groups. F'ups set. Why did you do such a foul cross-posting in the first pla

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread Frank Buss
drewc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does this have to do with Lisp? (i'm in c.l.l). he is a troll, but one who confess this fact: http://www.xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html -- Frank Buß, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de -- http://mail.python.org/m

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread John Hunter
> "Xah" == Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Xah> at places often a whole paragraph on some so called computer Xah> science jargons should be deleted. They are there more to Xah> showcase inane technicality than do help the Xah> reader. (related, many passages with jargons sh

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread drewc
You should not be giving such advice! (and the crosspost ... WTF?). I've been trying to follow along with your perl/python yahoo group, but your posts are terrible. Perhaps you should provide the output of the code you post. Then i'd actually know what i'm trying to achieve. As it is i have to c

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Xah Lee wrote: > i've started to read python tutorial recently. > http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html Finally! It was about time... > Here are some quick critique: Given that you seem to be totally inert to critique yourself - e.g. your continued posting of useless language comparison, and

how to write a tutorial

2005-01-21 Thread Xah Lee
i've started to read python tutorial recently. http://python.org/doc/2.3.4/tut/tut.html Here are some quick critique: quick example: If the input string is too long, they don't truncate it, but return it unchanged; this will mess up your column lay-out but that's usually better than the alternati