Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-27 Thread zooko
Harry: For some Free Software Python packages that I publish [1, 2, 3], I've been trying to gain the benefits of eggs while also making the resulting packages transparently useful to folks like you. (You can follow along here: [4].) One thing I've accomplished is figuring out how to install a Py

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-26 Thread Robert Kern
Harry George wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: >> Not sure how this differs significantly "from running a repository", >> in the sense I use it above. >> >> >> John > > Significant differences: > > "depot": Place(s) where tarballs can be stored, and can then be > reached via http.

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-26 Thread Harry George
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: > Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: > [...] >>> 2. You can run your own private egg repository. IIRC, it's as simple >>> as a directory of eggs and a plain old web server with directory >>> listings turned o

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread Paul Boddie
Fuzzyman wrote: > > I understand your situation and I have some misgivings myself. It > reminds me of the time when I worked in a 'corporate environment' and > I was trying to install a Perl application to get round the internet > blocking. > > The application (localproxy - very good) was *intended

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread John J. Lee
Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > This is a possibility. The tarballs can be seen in a directory > listing. They are in different subdirs (for different "bundles" of > functionality), so I'll need -f to look several places. One possibilit

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread Fuzzyman
On Jun 21, 1:10 pm, Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...at least around here. > > I run a corporate Open Source Software Toolkit, which makes hundreds > of libraries and apps available to thousands of technical employees. > The rules are that a) a very few authorized downloaders obtain > t

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread John J. Lee
Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: [...] >> 2. You can run your own private egg repository. IIRC, it's as simple >> as a directory of eggs and a plain old web server with directory >> listings turned on. You then run easy_install -f URL package_name

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread Benji York
On Jun 21, 8:10 am, Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip description of unacceptable behaviors] > These are unacceptable behaviors. I am therefore dropping ZODB3 If you have bugs to report against ZODB, I sugest posting to zodb-dev (http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zodb-dev). -- Ben

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-25 Thread Christopher Arndt
On 21 Jun., 14:10, Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've asked before, and I'll ask again: If you are doing a Python > project, please make a self-sufficient tarball available as well. Alomost all projects I know of that provide eggs, also have a CVS or SVN repository. Just download a tag

Re: Setuptools, build and install dependencies (was: eggs considered harmful)

2007-06-22 Thread Harry George
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Historically, python packages played well in this context. Install > > was a simple download, untar, setup.py build/install. > > > > Eggs and with other setuptools-inspired install processes break this > > pa

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-22 Thread Harry George
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Harry George wrote: > > ...at least around here. > > > > I run a corporate Open Source Software Toolkit, which makes hundreds > > of libraries and apps available to thousands of technical employees. > > The rules are that a) a very few authorized download

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-22 Thread Harry George
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: > Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] > > These are unacceptable behaviors. I am therefore dropping ZODB3, and > > am considering dropping TurboGears and ZSI. If the egg paradigm > > spreads, yet more packages will be dropped (or will never ge

Setuptools, build and install dependencies (was: eggs considered harmful)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Finney
Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Historically, python packages played well in this context. Install > was a simple download, untar, setup.py build/install. > > Eggs and with other setuptools-inspired install processes break this > paradigm. The tarballs are incomplete in the first plac

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-21 Thread Robert Kern
Harry George wrote: > ...at least around here. > > I run a corporate Open Source Software Toolkit, which makes hundreds > of libraries and apps available to thousands of technical employees. > The rules are that a) a very few authorized downloaders obtain > tarballs and put them in a depot and b)

Re: eggs considered harmful

2007-06-21 Thread John J. Lee
Harry George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > These are unacceptable behaviors. I am therefore dropping ZODB3, and > am considering dropping TurboGears and ZSI. If the egg paradigm > spreads, yet more packages will be dropped (or will never get a chance > to compete for addition). > > I've as

eggs considered harmful

2007-06-21 Thread Harry George
...at least around here. I run a corporate Open Source Software Toolkit, which makes hundreds of libraries and apps available to thousands of technical employees. The rules are that a) a very few authorized downloaders obtain tarballs and put them in a depot and b) other users get tarballs from th