Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-20 Thread rurpy
On May 20, 3:12 am, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 13, 4:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dismissing this as not a "real problem" is both wrong > > and offensive to people taking the time to actually > > propose improvements. > > I should have elaborated on what I meant by

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-20 Thread Alan Isaac
"Raymond Hettinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Another way to put it is that the docs are sufficient > when they say that set ordering is arbitrary. That should be a cue to > not have *any* expectations about the internal ordering of sets and > dicts. You are us

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-20 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On May 13, 4:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dismissing this as not a "real problem" is both wrong > and offensive to people taking the time to actually > propose improvements. I should have elaborated on what I meant by saying that there is not a real problem. Another way to put it is that the

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-20 Thread thinkogram
On May 19, 8:06 am, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems to me that you're focusing on the wrong part of the docs. The > source of this "bug" is not sets or dicts, Seems to me, this thread has lost touch with reality. There is no bug, just a quest to make some random change to docs

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Steve Holden
7stud wrote: >> Actually, it would just move the "endless, petty discussions about what >> minutiae are more important" into the docs. I don't see how that's an >> improvement. > > Because it highlights the issues you will be faced with when using the > described functions. People will post about

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread 7stud
>Actually, it would just move the "endless, petty discussions about what >minutiae are more important" into the docs. I don't see how that's an >improvement. Because it highlights the issues you will be faced with when using the described functions. People will post about an issue they had with a

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Robert Kern
7stud wrote: > On May 19, 12:36 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The last thing I want to read in a language's documentation is an >> ill-informed and sometimes interminable argument about a particular feature. > > Yet some readers will be able to get to the bottom of an issue they >

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Steven Bethard
7stud wrote: > On May 19, 9:06 am, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alan Isaac wrote: >>> I submitted the language based on Bill and Carsten's proposals: >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1721372&;... >>> That language has been rejected. >>> You many want

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread 7stud
On May 19, 12:36 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The last thing I want to read in a language's documentation is an > ill-informed and sometimes interminable argument about a particular feature. > Yet some readers will be able to get to the bottom of an issue they are having by readin

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Steve Holden
7stud wrote: > On May 19, 11:38 am, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Except in those instances where users added information that was >> explicitly wrong. > > It's a self correcting mechanism. Other reader's will spot the error > and post corrections. > The last thing I want to read in

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread 7stud
On May 19, 11:38 am, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except in those instances where users added information that was > explicitly wrong. It's a self correcting mechanism. Other reader's will spot the error and post corrections. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Steve Holden
7stud wrote: > On May 19, 9:06 am, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alan Isaac wrote: >>> I submitted the language based on Bill and Carsten's proposals: >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1721372&;... >>> That language has been rejected. >>> You many want

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread 7stud
On May 19, 9:06 am, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Isaac wrote: > > I submitted the language based on Bill and Carsten's proposals: > > >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1721372&;... > > > That language has been rejected. > > You many want to read the d

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Steven Bethard
Alan Isaac wrote: > I submitted the language based on Bill and Carsten's proposals: > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1721372&group_id=5470 > > That language has been rejected. > You many want to read the discussion and see if > acceptible language still seems disco

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-19 Thread Alan Isaac
I submitted the language based on Bill and Carsten's proposals: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1721372&group_id=5470 That language has been rejected. You many want to read the discussion and see if acceptible language still seems discoverable. Alan Isaac -- http:

docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-15 Thread Alan Isaac
This discussion ended abruptly, and I'd like to see it reach a conclusion. I will attempt to synthesize Bill and Carsten's proposals. There are two proposed patches. The first is to http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmapping.html where it is proposed for footnote (3) to state: Keys and values

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-13 Thread rurpy
On May 11, 7:41 pm, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 11, 5:59 pm, "Alan Isaac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is an attempt to synthesize Bill and Carsten's proposals. > > (I'm changing the subject line to better match the topic.) > > >http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmap

Re: docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-11 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On May 11, 5:59 pm, "Alan Isaac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is an attempt to synthesize Bill and Carsten's proposals. > (I'm changing the subject line to better match the topic.) > > http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmapping.html:for footnote (3) > > Keys and values are listed in an ar

docs patch: dicts and sets

2007-05-11 Thread Alan Isaac
This is an attempt to synthesize Bill and Carsten's proposals. (I'm changing the subject line to better match the topic.) http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmapping.html: for footnote (3) Keys and values are listed in an arbitrary order. This order is indeterminate and generally dep