Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-27 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message , Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > Being a vi fan, I can just tell you that emacs is for loosers, and no > one will dare to challenge this. Is it better to be loose or tight? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-21 Thread Hans Georg Schaathun
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:44:03 +0200, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: : When opposing vi to emacs, there's is no possibility you get : constructive and objective answer, because basically, what can do with : one, you can also do it with the other. You seem rather negative. I could not see any

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-12 Thread Gabor Urban
Hey guys, this is supposed to be a Python mailing list... Both editors are great and are with great potentials. I do use both of them daily, though for different purposes. It is meaningless to start this old issue of preferences anew. -- Linux: Choice of a GNU Generation -- http://mail.python.

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-12 Thread Jorgen Grahn
On Wed, 2009-10-07, OdarR wrote: > hello, > > * this is not a troll * > > which kind of help you have with your favorite editor ? Syntax highlighting and help with the indentation (move to the right after an else:, keep in the same column normally, etc). Nothing else specific to Python. > personn

Re: vim clientserver [was: best vi / emacs python features]

2009-10-10 Thread TerryP
On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Chris Jones wrote: > Hmm.. On *nix systems, decent applications understand the $EDITOR > environment variable - don't know about gnome & friends, though. > I tend to write programs that understand EDITOR, BROWSER, etc; wish the rest of the world did. > So what does the inter

[OT] vim clientserver [was: best vi / emacs python features]

2009-10-10 Thread Chris Jones
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 12:59:00AM EDT, TerryP wrote: > On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Chris Jones wrote: [..] > It's most valuable for sending data to an existing instance of vim, by > name. Both files and keystrokes can be sent fwiw. [..] > On top of that, I sometimes group instances of vim into 'server

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-08 Thread TerryP
> But in actual practice you use a space cadets editor like Vim. > >                                         Ross Ridge Actually by space cadets editor, I meant needing one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_cadet_keyboard -- TerryP. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-08 Thread Ross Ridge
TerryP wrote: >ed -- I can quickly edit files without having to wait on an ncurses >app to start up. Although I rarely have access to GNU versions of ed, >they use readline which is a big perk when you make a typo. I used to fallback on ed when network connections got really slow and I could log

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-08 Thread Falcolas
On Oct 8, 7:23 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 07:06:08PM EDT, TerryP wrote: > > > [..] > > >> I am a freak: I do not use nor want syntax highlighting. I don't want > >> my editor to understand mail, irc, or the www either, I want it to > >> edit t

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-08 Thread edexter
On Oct 7, 10:07 am, OdarR wrote: > hello, > > * this is not a troll * > > which kind of help you have with your favorite editor ? > > personnally, I find emacs very nice, in the current state of my > knowledge, when I need to reindent the code. > you know how this is critical in python...:-) > > I

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-08 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Chris Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 07:06:08PM EDT, TerryP wrote: [..] I am a freak: I do not use nor want syntax highlighting. I don't want my editor to understand mail, irc, or the www either, I want it to edit text efficiently so I can go on with the rest of my life as soon as pos

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Paul Rudin
Carl Banks writes: > On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, Chris Jones wrote: >> Always felt that syntax highlighting for instance is way >> overrated. > > I have all syntax colors turned off except for strings and comments. > I highly recommend this low-key syntax coloring for those who don't > care for the norma

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Carl Banks
On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, Chris Jones wrote: > Always felt that syntax highlighting for instance is way > overrated. I have all syntax colors turned off except for strings and comments. I highly recommend this low-key syntax coloring for those who don't care for the normal psychodelic syntax coloring.

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread TerryP
On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Chris Jones wrote: > I do have a question: > > You mentioned Vim's clientserver mode. > > What's it good for? It's most valuable for sending data to an existing instance of vim, by name. Both files and keystrokes can be sent fwiw. vim basically organizes it self into buffers,

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Nobody
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:32:16 -0700, Carl Banks wrote: >> >> One feature I have that emacs don't is that I'm able to efficiently >> >> edit a file on a remote machine with vim on a terminal (without >> >> graphical interface), and I'm using it. Apart from that, both >> >> solutions are >> >> > emac

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Chris Jones
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 07:06:08PM EDT, TerryP wrote: [..] > I am a freak: I do not use nor want syntax highlighting. I don't want > my editor to understand mail, irc, or the www either, I want it to > edit text efficiently so I can go on with the rest of my life as soon > as possible. Given the

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Tim Chase
Carl Banks wrote: On Oct 7, 10:29 am, Tim Chase wrote: Perhaps this is a reference to the alt/meta/control/buckey/super key-chords that emacs is infamous for using It's Esc-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift Sure that's not Winkey+Tab+Fn? :-) -tkc :wq! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/py

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Carl Banks
On Oct 7, 10:29 am, Tim Chase wrote: > >> One feature I have that emacs don't is that I'm able to efficiently edit > >> a file on a remote machine with vim on a terminal (without graphical > >> interface), and I'm using it. Apart from that, both solutions are > > > emacs has the same efficiency on

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread TerryP
I typically use several editors: /bin/ed, nvi, EDIT.COM, and Vi Improved. These are the advantages that I find these various editors give me: ed -- I can quickly edit files without having to wait on an ncurses app to start up. Although I rarely have access to GNU versions of ed, they use readlin

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread OdarR
On 7 oct, 19:29, Tim Chase wrote: > Perhaps this is a reference to the alt/meta/control/buckey/super > key-chords that emacs is infamous for using that don't always get > reliably transmitted by all terminal-emulation programs and > consoles.  It was one of my nudging factors towards vi (and later

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Apart of trolling which is also an activity I like, what are the features vim proposes to Python ? Olivier Many, but none that you won't find with emacs, so when I'm stating it is just a matter of personal preference, I mean it :o) "Vi or Emacs" is the same question as "straight or gay"

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Tim Chase
One feature I have that emacs don't is that I'm able to efficiently edit a file on a remote machine with vim on a terminal (without graphical interface), and I'm using it. Apart from that, both solutions are emacs has the same efficiency on a terminal. or maybe I don't understand your sentence.

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread OdarR
On 7 oct, 18:44, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > Being a vi fan, I can just tell you that emacs is for loosers, and no > one will dare to challenge this. vi is very good for newbees, I recommend it. > vi/emacs is like choosing between the Celtics or the Lakers, there is no > reason for that, the

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Falcolas
On Oct 7, 10:44 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > OdarR wrote: > > hello, > > > * this is not a troll * > > > which kind of help you have with your favorite editor ? > > > personnally, I find emacs very nice, in the current state of my > > knowledge, when I need to reindent the code. > > you know

Re: best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
OdarR wrote: hello, * this is not a troll * which kind of help you have with your favorite editor ? personnally, I find emacs very nice, in the current state of my knowledge, when I need to reindent the code. you know how this is critical in python...:-) I don't use other python-mode features

best vi / emacs python features

2009-10-07 Thread OdarR
hello, * this is not a troll * which kind of help you have with your favorite editor ? personnally, I find emacs very nice, in the current state of my knowledge, when I need to reindent the code. you know how this is critical in python...:-) I don't use other python-mode features for the moment