Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-16 Thread Carl Banks
Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2007-01-16, Ron Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to admit that part of why assert seems wrong to me is > > the meaning of the word implies something you shouldn't be able > > to ignore. While warnings seem like something that can be > > disregarded. > > Experien

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-16 Thread Ron Adam
Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2007-01-16, Ron Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have to admit that part of why assert seems wrong to me is >> the meaning of the word implies something you shouldn't be able >> to ignore. While warnings seem like something that can be >> disregarded. > > Experi

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-16 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-01-16, Ron Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to admit that part of why assert seems wrong to me is > the meaning of the word implies something you shouldn't be able > to ignore. While warnings seem like something that can be > disregarded. Experienced C coders expect assert to beha

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-16 Thread Ron Adam
Carl Banks wrote: > Ron Adam wrote: >> There have been times where I would like assert to be a little more assertive >> than it is. :-) >> >> ie.. not being able to turn them off with the -0/-00 switches, and having >> them >> generate a more verbose traceback. > > Personally, I'd rather see it

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Carl Banks
Ron Adam wrote: > There have been times where I would like assert to be a little more assertive > than it is. :-) > > ie.. not being able to turn them off with the -0/-00 switches, and having them > generate a more verbose traceback. Personally, I'd rather see it get less assertive, i.e., having

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Ron Adam
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:01:35 -0600, Ron Adam wrote: > > >> There have been times where I would like assert to be a little more >> assertive >> than it is. :-) >> >> ie.. not being able to turn them off with the -0/-00 switches, and having >> them >> generate a more v

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:01:35 -0600, Ron Adam wrote: > There have been times where I would like assert to be a little more assertive > than it is. :-) > > ie.. not being able to turn them off with the -0/-00 switches, and having > them > generate a more verbose traceback. If you want somethi

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Calvin Spealman
On 1/15/07, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:56 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > assert foo(0x10) == 0 # Assertions are much better tests than prints :-) > > I dispute that assertion (pun intended). Hah! > Firstly, print statements work even if you pass t

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Calvin Spealman
On 1/15/07, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:38:42 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > On 1/15/07, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:56 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> > >> > assert foo(0x10) == 0 # Assertions are much b

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:38:42 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: > On 1/15/07, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:56 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> > assert foo(0x10) == 0 # Assertions are much better tests than prints :-) >> >> I dispute that assertion (pun in

Re: assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Ron Adam
Calvin Spealman wrote: > On 1/15/07, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:56 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> assert foo(0x10) == 0 # Assertions are much better tests than prints :-) >> I dispute that assertion (pun intended). > > Hah! > >> Firstly, print s

assert versus print [was Re: The curious behavior of integer objects]

2007-01-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:56 -0500, Calvin Spealman wrote: > assert foo(0x10) == 0 # Assertions are much better tests than prints :-) I dispute that assertion (pun intended). Firstly, print statements work even if you pass the -O (optimize) flag to Python. Your asserts don't. Secondly, a bare