On Saturday 17 June 2006 09:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Istvan Albert wrote:
> > Scott David Daniels wrote:
> > > To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
> > > learning VI:
> > > "The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it
> > > will be rep
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Anyway, the only thing editplus doesn't do that I wish it
> did is code folding.
If you need a Python folding editor you could always take
a look at Zeus:
http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html
> All the stuff you guys are talking about: line numbers,
> syntax highlig
>
> Cream is a package built on top of vim that presents a more "Windows
> friendly" face to the vim/gvim editor.
Cool thanks, I'll check it out.
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Hi 63q2o4i02 :-)
Cream is a package built on top of vim that presents a more "Windows
friendly" face to the vim/gvim editor.
It is avaiable for Windows and Linux and might give you a single editor
that you can use on more platforms, but maybe you might like the
interface better.
It does syntax hi
Tim Chase wrote:
| > No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to
| > emacs less than one year later.
|
| Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch
| from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat
| editors, so one's decision to use one over the
Istvan Albert wrote:
> Scott David Daniels wrote:
>
> > To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
> > learning VI:
> > "The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will
> > be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit."
>
> Time
Tim Chase wrote:
>> No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to
>> emacs less than one year later.
>
>
> Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch
> from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat
> editors, so one's decision to use one over th
Walter Dörwald wrote:
> I tried it out and the first problem I noticed is that on Windows
> opening a file from a Samba drive doesn't seem to work, as PyPE converts
> the filename to lowercase.
...Samba is tricky, and I hadn't thought of it before. Normal Windows
is case-insensitive but case-pres
Scott David Daniels wrote:
> Surprise, surprise. One hour is not two weeks.
I wrote:
> pressing Ctrl-1 while editing the source will execute the python on the
> current source *and* it displays the output in a lower pane as it runs
> *and* it allows me to simultanously edit the file *while* th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Salerno wrote:
> [snip]
>> Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the
>> same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for
>> something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now).
>
> I was taking a peek at c.l.py to c
> No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to
> emacs less than one year later.
Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch
from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat
editors, so one's decision to use one over the other is more a
matter of wo
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>>>Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen.
>
>
> That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic
> word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol
> or hard carriage return at the end of every line). I don't
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
> nobody arguing with the vi folks.
No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to emacs less
than one year later.
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John Salerno wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>
>> jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
>> with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
>> installed).
>
>
> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
> Python.
Jython is
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> I see Eclipse mentioned here a lot.
If you go for a Mammoth-weight GUI-only Java IDE and have a really
powerful computer, why not ?
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John Salerno wrote:
(snip)
> Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it
> doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I
> choose (like showing line numbers).
This is in the configuration files. Don't remember which and where, but
I clearly rem
On linux, I recommend Scribes. It's simple, slim and sleek, yet
powerful.
Features:
Automatic completion
Automatic bracket completion and smart insertion
Snippets (ala TextMate)
Bookmarks
Syntax highlight for more than 30 languages
Launches faster than any IDE out their
Has no learning curve.
Fea
John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
> but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
> suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features
> for coding, such as syntax highlightin
> > Vim is great if you have a good memory... Otherwise you end up trawling
> > through the help to find out how to do stuff that would in another IDE
> > be just a few menu clicks away.
>
> Mental memory (the painful kind of memory) rapidly turns into muscle
> memory (the fun kind of memory) and
John Salerno wrote:
> Larry Bates wrote:
>
> > Nope, no Java knowledge necessary. Jython just compiles Python code
> > to java bytecode instead of python bytecode. Once it is in java bytecode
> > the JVM doesn't know where it came from.
>
> Well that's good to know. I guess there's not much of a
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>
> > Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
> > nobody arguing with the vi folks.
>
> hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won.
>
>
Yep, there is no much point about arguing for Emacs since ev
On 2006-06-15, Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very small, very fast, very powerful, and very portable (though I'm
> not sure about Mac...): Take a look at Jed from www.jedsoft.org.
It's been my editor of choice for many years. Running Emacs on
a machine with 8MB of RAM and 80MB of disk
On 2006-06-15, Jarek Zgoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs.
My condolences. I hear there's a cure for that, though.
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at
John Salerno wrote:
> I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
> but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
> suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features
> for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full
If you're on a Mac, I'd recommend TextWrangler (http://
www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/) hands down.
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re soft word wrap
>I have advocated seeing lines (with a CR and/or LF) as paragraphs, and
> making the display of lines a matter of the particular display, not the
> original data. That is much more natural for wrapped text, i.e. real
> text rather than computer-parseable files.
I agree.
Meanwhi
On 2006-06-15, Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very small, very fast, very powerful, and very portable (though I'm
> not sure about Mac...): Take a look at Jed from www.jedsoft.org.
>
> You might not find it pretty, however...
But if your distro includes xjed (ubuntu/debian, but not newe
Slawomir Nowaczyk wrote:
> #> That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic
> #> word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol
> #> or hard carriage return at the end of every line).
>
> Of course it does... there is longlines.el and longlines-mode in
John Salerno:
> Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it
> doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I
> choose (like showing line numbers). It seems to always reset itself each
> time I open it.
SciTE is configured by modifying opt
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:52:49 -0700
BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
#> >> Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen.
#>
#> That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic
#> word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol
#
Istvan Albert wrote:
> Scott David Daniels wrote:
>
>> To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
>> learning VI:
>> "The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will
>> be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit."
>
> Time and
>> Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen.
That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic
word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol
or hard carriage return at the end of every line). I don't know if vim
allows this. It's somet
On 2006-06-15, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
> but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
> suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features
> for coding, such as syn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:12:26 GMT in comp.lang.python, John Salerno
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
>but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
>suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
> If you use it for a little bit, one day you'll be editing a document in
> Word, or notepad, or SciTE, or Eclipse; you'll instinctively type
> '[ESC]:wq', and be suprised that the app is still open. That's when
> you realize there's no turning back.
Exactly... it happe
Fredrik Lundh napisał(a):
>> You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs.
>
> real python programmers don't use tabs.
So I'll tab you the beer I owe you when we meet at EuroPython.
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:18:53 -0700
BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
#> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
#> nobody arguing with the vi folks.
We have learned the important lesson: those who are looking for true
enlightenment will find Emacs anyway. We
Istvan Albert wrote:
> Scott David Daniels wrote:
>
>> To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
>> learning VI:
>> "The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will
>> be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit."
>
> Time and
Jarek Zgoda wrote:
> You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs.
real python programmers don't use tabs.
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won.
Uh oh, here we go.. ;)
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Fredrik Lundh napisał(a):
>> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
>> nobody arguing with the vi folks.
> 1) editor wars are so last century.
> 2) emacs has already won.
You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs.
--
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http://jpa.berlios.d
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
> nobody arguing with the vi folks.
hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won.
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Scott David Daniels wrote:
> To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
> learning VI:
> "The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will
> be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit."
Time and again I hear this (no shortage o
BartlebyScrivener napisał(a):
> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
> nobody arguing with the vi folks. Will the Windows vim and gvim users
> vouch for its stability on Windows?
Sure. Do you need any legal assistance?
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htt
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
> nobody arguing with the vi folks.
heh :)
> Will the Windows vim and gvim users vouch for its stability on
> Windows?
It's very stable on Windows.
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Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
nobody arguing with the vi folks. Will the Windows vim and gvim users
vouch for its stability on Windows?
rd
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Larry Bates wrote:
> Nope, no Java knowledge necessary. Jython just compiles Python code
> to java bytecode instead of python bytecode. Once it is in java bytecode
> the JVM doesn't know where it came from.
Well that's good to know. I guess there's not much of a point in writing
pure Python co
John Salerno wrote:
> Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>> John Salerno wrote:
>>
jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
installed).
>>>
>>> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I
Your SciTE problem is easily fixable by choosing " options / Open
Global Options File " and then there are plenty of settings. Use the
SciTE.html file and it will explain them all and there are many but the
defaults usually work well to start out. I have had no issues with
Linux. I use Debian. H
Ant wrote:
>>I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use
>>UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and
>>there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free,
>>open-source, cross-platform software.
>
>
> Vim is great if you have
John Salerno schreef:
> Sybren Stuvel wrote:
>
>> Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim.
>
> Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which
> "version" of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to
> be at least two versions,
John Salerno wrote:
> I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
> but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
> suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features
> for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full
John Salerno wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>
> > jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
> > with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
> > installed).
>
> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
> Python. Are there an
John Salerno napisał(a):
>> Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim.
>
> Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which
> "version" of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to
> be at least two versions, a text version and the
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> John Salerno wrote:
>
>>> jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
>>> with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
>>> installed).
>>
>> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
>> Pytho
John Salerno wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>
> > jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
> > with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
> > installed).
>
> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
> Python. Are there an
John Salerno wrote:
>> jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
>> with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
>> installed).
>
> I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
> Python. Are there any editors that
Ant wrote:
> jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
> with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
> installed).
I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
Python. Are there any editors that support that?
--
> I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use
> UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and
> there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free,
> open-source, cross-platform software.
Vim is great if you have a good memory...
Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim.
Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which
"version" of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to
be at least two versions, a text version and the GUI version
I recommend Vim.
> I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text
> editor
Check.
> (which the features for coding, such as syntax
> highlighting, etc.)
Check.
> but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz
> (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.).
Check.
> Ideally, it would be someth
John Salerno wrote:
> And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need
> to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim,
> since I hear it's lighter and faster).
To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about
learning VI:
"T
I see Eclipse mentioned here a lot. Never tried it (i use Komodo).
http://www.eclipse.org/
It uses plugins. So, e.g., if you decide you do want an IDE, you add
PyDev
http://pydev.sourceforge.net/index.html
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You could try SciTE. It has syntax highlighting for almost every
language I have heard of plus some, and seems to work pretty well. It
has some issues with fonts, and on some computers is unstable (it
crashes in linux, and may have issues with multiprocessor machines).
I would also like to know if
I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng,
but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for
suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features
for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with
all the fancy j
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