Re: fsxNet Usenet gateway problem again

2018-09-08 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2018-09-06 18:03:19 +0200, Thomas Jollans wrote: > I love that the reposted messages come with a header > > Path: uni-berlin.de!<...>!.POSTED.agency.bbs.nz!not-for-mail >^ This is normal for Usenet Messages. The format of the path hea

Re: fsxNet Usenet gateway problem again

2018-09-06 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 2018-09-06 15:50, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 09/05/2018 02:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> I don't think this was spamming the list with the same question; a >> glitch somewhere in a netnews server appears to be re-posting some old >> posts. > > I wonder why this bbs gateway in New Zealand keep

fsxNet Usenet gateway problem again

2018-09-06 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/05/2018 02:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > I don't think this was spamming the list with the same question; a > glitch somewhere in a netnews server appears to be re-posting some old > posts. I wonder why this bbs gateway in New Zealand keeps doing this. Seems like someone contacts the postm

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 05/24/2018 08:20 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > But you had to jump through hoops with procmail and server/client side > filtering to get there. True, but it takes maybe 30 seconds for each new list I sign up for, and then it's out of sight, out of mind. I already do a ton of filtering on my inbox

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 05/24/2018 07:01 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:44:26 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> I agree web forums really suck for any kind of multi-user conversation. > > Oh good. Because the Python core-devs are talking about moving to > Github's web interface instead of email.

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 05/24/2018 07:10 AM, Chris Green wrote: > A *thread* yes, but not a whole list. I.e. if you read this using > mail/IMAP you can mark a thread read but you can't mark *all* Python > list messages read in one go can you? With tin/Usenet I look at > the list of new subjects in the Python group

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Chris Green
José María Mateos wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2018, at 09:10, Chris Green wrote: > > > Yes I can mark an entire thread as "read" in IMAP. > > > > > A *thread* yes, but not a whole list. I.e. if you read this using > > mail/IMAP you can mark a thread read but you can't mark *all* Python > > list mes

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread José María Mateos
On Thu, May 24, 2018, at 09:10, Chris Green wrote: > > Yes I can mark an entire thread as "read" in IMAP. > > > A *thread* yes, but not a whole list. I.e. if you read this using > mail/IMAP you can mark a thread read but you can't mark *all* Python > list messages read in one go can you? With t

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-05-24, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 05/23/2018 12:03 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> But IMO email pales in comparison to NNTP when there are more than a >> few messages per day per group. > > This is not my experience at all. I used to use Usenet back in the day, > but for nearly the last two

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Chris Green
Michael Torrie wrote: > Comparing to IMAP and Thunderbird: > > On 05/23/2018 04:39 PM, Chris Green wrote: > > Well from other comments here it seems I'm not alone but anyway:- > > > > Proper threading etc. is built in > > check. > > > > > It's automatically archived and one can search

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 24 May 2018 05:44:26 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > I agree web forums really suck for any kind of multi-user conversation. Oh good. Because the Python core-devs are talking about moving to Github's web interface instead of email. Because Github is the future :-) https://circleci.com/bl

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Michael Torrie
Comparing to IMAP and Thunderbird: On 05/23/2018 04:39 PM, Chris Green wrote: > Well from other comments here it seems I'm not alone but anyway:- > > Proper threading etc. is built in check. > > It's automatically archived and one can search back through > threads for old postings,

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 05/23/2018 12:03 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > Yes. NNTP and NNTP clients were designed from the ground up to deal > with ongoing discussions shared by large groups of people posting lots > of messages, and they're _very_ good at. > > Email was designed for one person sending one message to anoth

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-24 Thread Gregory Ewing
Ned Batchelder wrote: On 5/23/18 12:03 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Brain damaged by facebook, AOL, M$, Google, yahoo yadda yadda into thinking that webmail and forums are the only game in town? Please avoid accusing others of being brain damaged, even if it was meant in a humorous context. :( I

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 23 May 2018 19:24:52 Alan Bawden wrote: > Gene Heskett writes: > > You are stating an opinion, but no facts to back it up, so describe > > your environment that makes you write that, please. > > If he describes his environment and why he likes it, will that be a > "fact"? Or will yo

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Alan Bawden
Gene Heskett writes: > You are stating an opinion, but no facts to back it up, so describe your > environment that makes you write that, please. If he describes his environment and why he likes it, will that be a "fact"? Or will you dismiss that as just another "opinion"? You asked: > can so

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Chris Green
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 23 May 2018 12:45:57 Chris Green wrote: > > > Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > > > can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not > > > used by everybody? > > > > Because the Usenet/NNTP interface (with a good newsreader) is so much > > bett

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 23 May 2018 12:45:57 Chris Green wrote: > Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > > can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not > > used by everybody? > > Because the Usenet/NNTP interface (with a good newsreader) is so much > better! :-) > > -- > Chris Green > · You

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-05-23, Chris Green wrote: > Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: >> can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by >> everybody? > > Because the Usenet/NNTP interface (with a good newsreader) is so much > better! :-) Yes. NNTP and NNTP clients were designed from th

Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

2018-05-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2018-05-23, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by > everybody? 1) I perfer the user-interface offered by my NNTP client (slrn). 2) I don't want to archive many years worth of dozens of mailing lists (I let gmane do t

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 5/23/18 12:03 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2018 11:20:34 Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by everybody? Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Brain damaged by facebook, AOL, M$, Google

Re: Usenet Gateway

2018-05-23 Thread Chris Green
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by > everybody? > Because the Usenet/NNTP interface (with a good newsreader) is so much better! :-) -- Chris Green · -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

2018-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 23 May 2018 11:20:34 Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used > by everybody? > > Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer > https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Brain damaged by facebook, AOL, M$, Google, yahoo yadda yadda into thinking

Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

2018-05-23 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by everybody? Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ > > -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

2018-05-23 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2018-05-23 10:00:56 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:01:35 +0200, dieter declaimed > the following: > > >Maybe something went wrong with the integration of your NTTP server > >with the Gmane one? > > GMANE doesn't (to my knowledge) peer to NNTP servers. It provid

Re: Message-IDs on Usenet gateway

2015-12-06 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 06 Dec 2015 15:51:54 -0500, Random832 writes: >Something weird is going on. On google groups, this message has >a different Message-ID: > I think it is this problem. Start here. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2015-November/025225.html Laura -- https://

Message-IDs on Usenet gateway

2015-12-06 Thread Random832
, particularly since my Email provider's search functionality is better.) This means the Usenet gateway (i.e. the "real" one, that goes to comp.lang.python) is rewriting the Message-Id. I've had the same problem in the other direction (Reference headers for the "mailman&q

Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-21 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > The last couple of messages on this list show > up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on > comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway? I don't see empty messages through Usenet. However, at around the tim

Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-21 Thread Peter Pearson
On 20 Jun 2011 23:49:11 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [snip] > I will treat this as a bug in Pan, and take it to the appropriate forums, > but for anyone who cares, here's one example: > > From: Steven D'Aprano > Subject: Re: What is this syntax ? > Newsgroups: comp.lang.python > References:

Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:49:33 +, Peter Pearson wrote: > On 20 Jun 2011 01:41:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> The last couple of messages on this list show >> up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on >> comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with

Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Tim Chase
On 06/19/2011 08:41 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The last couple of messages on this list show up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway? I haven't noticed any issues. I tend to send via email

Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Peter Pearson
On 20 Jun 2011 01:41:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The last couple of messages on this list show up > fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is > there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway? I don't see any empty posts on comp.lan

Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Steven D'Aprano
The last couple of messages on this list show up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway? Who controls that? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list